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Did I get myself into trouble? (TT / squeeze-pot / all-in OTF)

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ben002
Joined: 03.03.2018

Hi, :f_drink:

what do you think about this hand?

$0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

UTG: $5.86
MP: $5.00
CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $5.12
SB: $9.01
BB: $7.73

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has T♠ T♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.48, fold

Flop: ($1.32, 2 players) 2♣ 4♦ 6♥
BB bets $0.64, Hero raises to $1.40, BB raises to $7.13 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.12 and is all-in

Thoughts

Preflop:
As I don't have any information on villain yet, I am assigning him with my standard 3bet range for BB vs BTN taken from w34z3l's 6max walkthrough. As this is a squeeze situation I would think, that he might even 3bet a bit wider then that.

( RED is the 3bet range )

I think at least calling is a must here.
Should I 4bet in this situation?

Flop:
Villain still has a total of 128 combos thereof:
6 of 2par+ (53s/64s)
24 of overpairs (JJ+)
8 of OESD or similiar (85s/75s)
9 of pair+gutshot (65s-43s)
12 of gutshot (K3s/Q5s/Q3s)
27 of top-/middle-/bottom-pair (K4s/K2s/Q6s/Q4s/Q2s/J6s/96s/98s/76s)
The rest are overcards and many backdoor-straight-draws

As my range

Spoiler

( also from w34z3l )

misses the flop almost completely, it doesn't seem to matter a lot from his perspective if he has top-, bottom- or middle pair (assuming he assigns me with a range like that). He has the clear range advantage (61.59% equity) 30/128 strong value hands and a lot of good bluffing hands with many draws and backdoor draws. I think, that he could also bet some of his 27 top-/middle-/bottom-pair hands, as they are still quite likely to be the best hand OTF.

This is the moment, where I am getting tired of a more detailed analysis. I just think that, given his clear range advantage, he has a lot of incentive to bet the flop quite wide and that my TT might be at a clear advantage compared to his betting range. His small 1/2-sized bet might also suggest a drawing hand or bluff.

I am very uncertain about my raise OTF. One could probably make a point for denying equity, as a lot of his equity (overcards better then T, straight-draws) seems to come from future streets. The main problem about my raise is probably that it got me pot commited (SPR ~ 1), which pretty much forced me to call his shove. Could this be a situation, where I want to go all-in?

Questions:

1. Which preflop-range would you give villain? I used my standard 3bet against BTN range for him. But this situation is a little bit different to a simple BTN RFI. How would a squeeze range typically differ from a normal 3bet range?

2. Should/Could I 4bet preflop?

3. What do you make of villains small 1/2-sized bet OTF?

4. How do you feel about my raise OTF? Is my hand vulnerable/strong enough? Should I probably choose a different sizing?

5. Could I have folded to his all-in?

results:

Spoiler

Flop: ($1.32, 2 players) 2♣ 4♦ 6♥
... Hero calls $3.12 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.36, 2 players) 4♠

River: ($10.36, 2 players) 2♦

BB shows 8♦ 7♦ (Two Pair, Fours and Twos)
Hero shows T♠ T♣ (Two Pair, Tens and Fours)

Hero wins $9.93
:f_cool:


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Preflop I think call is fine. 4bet and stack off seems a bit loose but might not be that bad. But I probably still prefer calling.
But this is a squeeze situation, not a 3bet. So villain's range is not the same than what you put there. Villain gets so good price to call pre that he can be calling with a wider range. So I would take those Jx,Qx and Kx hands out of his range. Also this is NL5 where people might not squeeze very well and unknowns there maybe tend to be a bit more passive.

You did some good work but unfortunately when the preflop ranges are not correct in the first place it pretty much trumps the rest of the analysis. Also it is very likely that villain can't put you on a range and bet just because his range has an advantage. Keeping it simple is the best. You have an overpair but wouldn't like to raise and isolate myself against bigger overpairs. Just call OTF.

His small 1/2-sized bet might also suggest a drawing hand or bluff.

Or might not. That is quite standard sizing and doesn't necessarily tell us anything.

The main problem about my raise is probably that it got me pot commited (SPR ~ 1), which pretty much forced me to call his shove. Could this be a situation, where I want to go all-in?

3bets post flop are super strong. There are no combo draws possible. I'm pretty confident when I say that you are behind most of the time. This means you are not committed. The money you have already put in doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is that you have to call a pot size bet so you have to win this hand 33% of the time.

So, answers to your questions:
1) yes squeezing range is different. I would keep the same value range or maybe even widen it a bit. Then if the guy squeezes polarized I would give him some low suited connectors and gappers but the bluff squeeze range shouldn't be that wide imo.
2) You could but I think the call is fine
3) Nothing. It is not small when you consider that this is a squeeze pot, it is standard
4) Don't like it. If you are ahead now, villain has probably 6 outs to beat you, so you are not vulnerable.
5) absolutely

When I saw the results I was like... wow...
Then I started thinking if villain is totally stupid or not. If he can guess he has about 20% equity with his gutshot+BDFD against your stacking off range then he breaks even if he gets you to fold roughly 40%. But then again you shouldn't have much of a raising range in this board and when people at NL5 do raise here they most often have a set. And villain probably isn't capable of thinking like that either. So my bet is that he is just an aggro maniac


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

With all my respects to you and your play i dont think you had enough time make this kind of analysis during the play.
So you just didnt want to fold you TT and in some cases its fine. But i will go ahead and call of all streets to let him spazz when i decide not to fold.


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ben002
Joined: 03.03.2018

Originally posted by pokerboy198229
With all my respects to you and your play i dont think you had enough time make this kind of analysis during the play.
So you just didnt want to fold you TT ...

Of course you are right!
That's why I wanted to have another look at it.

@la55i
Thanks for the detailed response. This rectifies a lot of things for me. I guess it was a battle of fish-moves in the end. And I probably wasn't the smallest fish out there. I also just realized that I was thinking about pre-flop-equities when justifying my decision to call. :f_ugly:


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CucumbaMan
Joined: 13.10.2017

I agree with la55i, to me Villian looks super strong here, and his line looks like a QQ, KK or AA to me so it would be a crying fold for me on the flop.


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