Mindblowing Poker

here's a link, for convenience.

what are your messages to begin with?
the premise is reasonable, but there's nothing too new yet in that publishing blurb...

It's been a long time! How have you been, Yadi?

BTW Poker != Holdem

Originally posted by nsavov
It's been a long time! How have you been, Yadi?

BTW Poker != Holdem

♦ that was also my first thought.
to be honest, i like the guy's style, though we don't agree on a number of things...

Hi - thanks for the interest. I feel like a lot of what the book contains is very new. Traditionally we've had a debate - should we be playing GTO poker or should we being trying to exploit villains. I'm trying to move the debate on from that - saying the answer is obvious - we want to be able to do both - and also save poker from becoming 'solved' and the profitability and enjoyment slowly fading away.

So the book breaks down the game so that firstly, we try to avoid playing the best players (as much as we can). It has suggestions on how to work out who is strong and who is weak (even online), and ways to make your mental state and the games you play most favourable - in short trying to move to an ecosystem that isn't designed to generate profits purely for the house - which is exactly what will happen if two perfect GTO players played against eachother. When we play weaker players the book has tools to crush them (and my tips are much more on the pulse than say the previous generation of printed material). What definitely is new is that the book then moves onto ideas for taking on the strongest players when you come up against them, by disrupting their GTO game. This is proving quite controversial in some other discussions I have had with some well known poker theorists. The key is manufacturing unfathomable spots - the kind that nobody can analyse. So while most players are aspiring to perfect their GTO game, these strategies will try to sidestep that - and enable you to make it impossible for them to execute their strategy back to you.

Let me know if you have any questions.

i agree with the philosophy, but the devil is in the details.
how does one go about manufacturing unfathomable spots, indeed...

you could have a cbetting strategy on AK2r of overbet 2x pot or check. or you could incorporate open limping and some 6BB preflop opens into your strategy. or you could do something else entirely...
i suppose that's the part where you tell us to buy the book well, not yet.

Originally posted by Tomaloc
i agree with the philosophy, but the devil is in the details.
how does one go about manufacturing unfathomable spots, indeed...

you could have a cbetting strategy on AK2r of overbet 2x pot or check. or you could incorporate open limping and some 6BB preflop opens into your strategy. or you could do something else entirely...
i suppose that's the part where you tell us to buy the book well, not yet.

You're definitely on the right lines - the two examples you give aren't too far off some ideas from the book. Ultimately there's lots of funky ideas that you could employ - which will eventually get 'solved' if people see them often enough. So the key to the book is that it gives you the tools to think through what might work and more importantly how and when to execute these plays. The book also gives ways to 'mask' what you're doing - so it's not obvious how much you have deviated from a standard strategy.

Why anonymous?

I some way, I agree that poker world is taking solver as a word of god. They lack the understanding of what solver strategy actually is. And therefore they lack the understanding when the solver strategy is usable and when it's clearly non-optimal.

I always say that solver strategy is our defense, and exploiting opponents is our offense. And to win, you need to be able to use both and know when to use them.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Why anonymous?

I some way, I agree that poker world is taking solver as a word of god. They lack the understanding of what solver strategy actually is. And therefore they lack the understanding when the solver strategy is usable and when it's clearly non-optimal.

I always say that solver strategy is our defense, and exploiting opponents is our offense. And to win, you need to be able to use both and know when to use them.

You sir, are exactly who this book was written for. A lot of players are too stuck refining a near perfect strategy, and missing the bigger picture of where the game needs to go for players to beat it.

As for anonymity - the new style poker this book centres on is much more effective if people don't know you're using it. I'm not a Hellmuth or an Ivey but I am well known in some circles and if the poker community came to realise how I was approaching certain spots, it may affect my success in big events. I also believe it enhances credibility - I've never been convinced that the best players would give away their best secrets for a few bucks (no poker book sales are particularly lucrative - Daniel Negreanu could make in two high stakes hands more than he ever could from a book.)

Hope that helps

I would say I am not the one, as I don't like Holdem.

Tempting to buy it and see if it has a point or not. I mean, I have spent $30 (shipping included) on probably worse so often that why not try this one?

edit: for 24€, I ordered it. At least it has a lot of pages.

Yo Kyyb, wanna buy my almost unused underpants? Just $30.
I am well known in the underpants world, but don't want to give away too much of my underpants secrets.
You sir, is what those underpants are exactly made for!

Seriously though, how come someone with a new account can blatantly promote his piece of shit book, but we are not allowed to talk about the best poker rooms or other poker forums or coaching sites and get edited?

While moderators are not editing I would like to promote somebody - For people who want to improve in Holdem (for whatever reason) - check out AlvinTeachesPoker on youtube. No need to buy books or spend $1000+ on solvers that you don't even know how to use when you can watch someone do it and explain for free.

Hey nsavov,

Your post would be more likely edited to protect the poker population from your almost unused underpants.

Cheers

Laz

P.S. Also please note, posts may be edited or removed if moderators believe the thread is being derailed from it's original purpose.

That is completely reasonable. It wasn't even funny, but it did make a good point, I believe.

Come for the trolls, stay for the underpants ♠_drink:

He has posted the same thing other forums too. If the book is nonsense, I will have a good time to review it. Worth few beers imo.

Not as good of a time as you would have with my pants

There is 0% chance the book will be nonsense and bad for new players. But to write about Holdem Theory today is about as valuable as writing about chess opening theory. You can find one of those in most players' houses supporting the broken leg of an old table... Or in the toilet (and not for reading).

Originally posted by nsavov
Not as good of a time as you would have with my pants

There is 0% chance the book will be nonsense and bad for new players. But to write about Holdem Theory today is about as valuable as writing about chess opening theory. You can find one of those in most players' houses supporting the broken leg of an old table... Or in the toilet (and not for reading).

I'm happy that you're taking an interest but please read at least the blurb.... 1 - not really aimed at new players, 2 - Also not really a theory book - the main objective for the book is to take the poker community AWAY from existing theory / becoming solved / everyone playing robotic GTO poker. i.e. solving the exact problem you describe of all theory books becoming obsolete. I'm trying to make the game more varied and more exciting again, and trying to suggest some ways in which that may be possible. But to do that you need to build an approach and a style that wont get slaughtered the second you encounter higher level players. I believe this book is the first trying to do that. So yes, some of the ideas may be a little rough around the edges, and may need the poker community to evolve the thinking over time, but I'm fairly determined that this can be a good thing for poker.

If you want to criticise the underlying principle, that actually kind of proves the main point - Poker is slowly killing itself because everyone wants to play the same strategy - which actually means everyone loses!

Originally posted by theprofessorpoker
Poker is slowly killing itself because everyone wants to play the same strategy - which actually means everyone loses!

That makes total sense and demonstrate a deep understanding of the game.

For the same reasons, chess is dead, computers killed it, and of course olympic games and all other kind of sports and competitive disciplines are so screwed, everyone training the same way, especially the famous Fosbury flop killed jumping.
Damn you Fosbury, now everyone jumps the same !

More deeply, the problem probably comes from the fact that we all are taught to manipulate the same letters and numbers at school, and all using the same brain organ to think.
Well, can't speak for yourself about that one though...

It does have a point though that solvers are a real threat to online poker. What happens when real time assistance apps become available at Google Play for 5€?

As long as players have to study strategies, 99% of even the motivated ones are too lazy to do it. But when you can get the strategy without studying, most of those will buy it.

And his book will surely have a solution to that right