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25 GG masters A8s vs shove on the flop

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checkdex
Joined: 17.10.2013

This was shock on the flop by the marked player ( i mark players with yellow color named gold mine ) and this was one of them. 54,53 equity on the flop with my A8s vs vilains range 55+A7s+ATo+K9s+ but still not sure if this is profitsble call (or gamble ) vs maniac fish. Question in another scenario with another player who maybe check the flop , i bet and he raise me big , what can i do there is it shove aswell on the flop or just call ?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I hate it that the GGPoker "hand history image" forces you to calculate starting stacks.
I had thought that perhaps he was short -- but he clearly had at least 30BB

Since opponent can do this, he may have had an even wider range -- non-nut flush draws and even straight draws.
He may also have had 44, but I don't think that changes your equity much.

Props for taking notes, then actually looking at them :coolface:

In these situations, I would much rather be the one that shove, rather than call a shove, which is pretty much what opponent is counting on here.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Calling the shove is extreme variance heavy. Off course if you play A8s in the first place you need to go for it. This is 1 of the better flops you can hope for. Otherwise you should fold pre-flop I think.

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Preflop as default I would either fold or 3bet. If villain is maniac I suppose call is fine as we do better versus his open range than we would in general. Even then issue with call is many players behind who might 3bet. So likely I would just fold.

Flop call is going to be somewhat better than fold. At least if there is no clear ICM worries which is probably the case. In general this sort of shove is mediocre made hand or draw from my experience. So in this case probably top pair or flush draw. It's rare someone would shove with like set or AA.

So good news is that A is often out for us. Sometimes villain has that weaker flush draw which we crush. If betting versus check and getting raised we stack off. If villain cbet it's never bad option to raise with these stacks.


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