QJ98ss 3bet from SB vs BU open

Preflop I would prefer call over 3bet. Though fold is likely still best option. This hand is not pushing preflop equity and fe is usually very low for 3bet. Mainly these kind of hands are supposed to be 3bets as ds combos and ss combos are mainly folding from SB. This especially in high rake games. Postflop is well played imo. If flop was rainbow or if we had fd I would x-r if checking. But here its not really strong enough for that and its nice to have cover for these straightening turns that villain likely barrels often when betting flop.

Originally posted by ghaleon
Preflop I would prefer call over 3bet. Though fold is likely still best option. This hand is not pushing preflop equity and fe is usually very low for 3bet. Mainly these kind of hands are supposed to be 3bets as ds combos and ss combos are mainly folding from SB. This especially in high rake games. Postflop is well played imo. If flop was rainbow or if we had fd I would x-r if checking. But here its not really strong enough for that and its nice to have cover for these straightening turns that villain likely barrels often when betting flop.

ye i figured that it maybe to lose. i think it may depend a lot on BU, how wide we think he opens here? befor calling i think i prefer the fold. If we get a 4bet we can easy let go, if BU just calls we are at least quite often HU and not mw + have some more initative.

Yeah its better if BU open very wide but its good to remember that BU is supposed to open like close to 50% anyway. This hand would be call vs 4bet especially as those are very often very AAxx heavy and less hands like AJT9ds etc.

Originally posted by ghaleon
Yeah its better if BU open very wide but its good to remember that BU is supposed to open like close to 50% anyway. This hand would be call vs 4bet especially as those are very often very AAxx heavy and less hands like AJT9ds etc.

hmmm true - appreciate the input. didn't think far enough here ^^ but none the less i like the information / likelyness of HU part from the 3bet over calling.
3bet vs fold still feels very close but clearly like the fold more than calling.
I don't mind being a bit more lag than tag, as long it doesnt swap over into stupidity. So will keep watching this closely, definetly tightend up a bit overall compared to lets say 2 weeks ago and i see the benefits^^

Solver doesn't like to call from SB a lot in high rake games, which makes sense as in those sims BTN always plays perfectly. In reality BTN is making a lot of mistakes and not folding to 3bet as much as solver assumes, so I am quite sure we should call with good hands from SB.

But even then, this hand is really marginal even for that. And having suited connectors is not good in PLO, as with any flush you should be getting most value from one smaller flush. And suited connectors block that hand.

Postflop hand plays itself.

As a rule of thumb, single suited rundowns that we should 3bet from SB are almost always having suited Ace. Easy to simplify, and 3bet rundowns only double suited unless it's suited to Ace.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Solver doesn't like to call from SB a lot in high rake games, which makes sense as in those sims BTN always plays perfectly. In reality BTN is making a lot of mistakes and not folding to 3bet as much as solver assumes, so I am quite sure we should call with good hands from SB.

But even then, this hand is really marginal even for that. And having suited connectors is not good in PLO, as with any flush you should be getting most value from one smaller flush. And suited connectors block that hand.

Postflop hand plays itself.

As a rule of thumb, single suited rundowns that we should 3bet from SB are almost always having suited Ace. Easy to simplify, and 3bet rundowns only double suited unless it's suited to Ace.

understood, just one thing to point out, BTN making a lot of mistakes imo is also a good argument to actually 3bet ♦ understand that solver likes the 3bet for foldequity, but by BTN not folding enough to 3bet, he is also getting himself in trouble quite often?
Solver will assume that villain plays really well postflop too, so i don't know if breaking 1part of solvers assumption outweighs the other wrong assumption?^^
kinda of a circlejerk argument i am bringing up, but i think its interesting to at least consider aswell.