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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 64 BB
Hero (BTN): 155.5 BB
SB: 68 BB
BB: 198.5 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB - No stats, but noticeable donk from a couple of showdowns already done).
MP: 179.5 BB - 96 hands, and playing 54/10 with AF=1

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♣ 9♥

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, SB raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

I think on the BTN, in a loose table, this is a no-brainer.

Flop: (18 BB, 6 players) K♠ 7♥ T♠
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 1 BB, MP raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB, fold, fold, UTG raises to 11 BB, MP calls 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Not much to say. If someone is to fold this 12-52, is better to fold it pre-flop.
My only doubt would be with original raiser (BB) possibly raising here. If such, I'd need to re-evaluate, but don't know how.
The 3-bet from UTG didn't really change much, mainly because of the bet size. Anything less than pot, in that context doesn't sound as set deffense, worst case scenario, he is running also.

Turn: (51 BB, 3 players) J♥
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 40 BB, UTG calls 40 BB, fold

I'de preffer it to be a 7 completing my str8, but I have to work with what I have.
The board is messy enough as is. If I could take it now, perfect. Less bad, I ended up 1vs1.
But I narrowed the villain's range to AQ, QJ, KJ... and some FD... those kinds of hands

River: (131 BB, 2 players) 5♠
UTG checks, Hero bets 64.5 BB, UTG calls 47.5 BB and is all-in

If only the deck had 4 suits:f_rolleyes:
I honestly thought about checking behind and if it wasn't NL2, I'd probably would. And this is the point of me sharing this hand:
1- Outside NL2, is this a bet, or a check behind, without info on villain?
2- In the long run, how much is a check behind here costing me?

Spoiler

Hero shows 8♣ 9♥ (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 71%, Flop 41%, Turn 97%)
UTG shows 7♦ 8♠ (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 29%, Flop 59%, Turn 3%)
Hero wins 214.5 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop I would most likely fold right away with 98o. It isn't playing to well multi way post-flop I think. Now you can't really fold to the small raise of the SB. If I was the SB I would raise 8bb out of position with mine entire raising range.

Flop you get decent odds to call with 6 clean outs to win.

If the SB is really fishy you could even consider to over bet shove the turn for value and protection. Standard play would be a bet of around half pot and push the river I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

I'll assume you meant UTG and not SB. As said, only seen a couple of his showdowns...didn't make sense, but let's not take the forrest from the tree.

Turn, when my action comes MP is still at play, that's why I didn't bet closer to pot. Event had hope for UTG to shove and bring MP with him, easier than if I overbet.

River, I don't really see what would pay me and I win outside NL2. There are better str8s, a flush draw was completed... Will one get enough calls from 1 and 2 pairs on that spot? I know I am complicating an easy hand, but imo, it was only easy because it was NL and honsetly I fought myself not to check behind.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

I’d fold pre but like how you played it. Just to say, people would definitely hero call you above NL2. He only has just over 1/3 pot behind, you have to value bet that, especially as there’s a lot of draws that miss and you’re towards the top of your value range. If he has a flush, it’s just a cooler.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Thank you.

I am not convinced it is such a standard fold.
I think the idea of it playing bad MW will be related with the possibility of hitting a pair and be dominated (correct me if I'm wrong), but if played with the idea of 2 pair or better, otherwise fold, I think it can be a call. Not that it matters in NL2, but above it, at least to mix the call range.


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