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[Closed] coaching NL bss to 4 bet or not to 4bet that is the question!

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hello ladies and gentleman

because of my serious illness this topic wasnt coached last month.
i asked some listeners and a lot of them really wanted that topic to be in a coaching, so here we are.

today will be a theory coaching only, because there is a lot of math included in this topic wether it is profitable or not against a specific opponent (or two) to 4bet or not.

as usual, feel free to post your own hands into this thread.


14 replies

#1

villian is very unknown with only 19 hands, but his 3bet value is 16,7 so far, his agf inf. and his contibet 100%
4bet/call ? 4bet bluff ? or smoothly call and play in position ?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($51.42)
MP ($19.28)
CO ($26.75)
Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($25.87)
BB ($47.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A♠, Q♣
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, BB raises $2.10, Hero calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.80) 7♥, K♥, 5♣ (2 players)
BB bets $2.35, Hero calls $2.35

Turn: ($9.50) 7♣ (2 players)
BB bets $5.35, Hero folds

Total pot: $9.50


#2

this is a question wether to 5bet in blind battle or not

villian: steal smallblind 59%, fold to 3bet 49%, 4bet 18%, AF 1.8, contibet 69%, 344 hands

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($63.60)
Hero (BB) ($53.60)
UTG ($52)
Button ($83.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥, A♦
2 folds, SB bets $1.25, Hero raises $4, SB raises $12, Hero raises $49.10 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $27


#3

QQ oop, allways difficult to deside wether to 4bet or not

villian (3bet): vpip 20, PFR 18, 3bet 4,5% , AF 4.0, contibet 100%, 69hands

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($47.50)
SB ($27.37)
BB ($27.72)
UTG ($25)
Hero (MP) ($62.28)
CO ($26.67)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q♥, Q♣
1 fold, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, Button raises $3.35, 1 fold, BB calls $3.10, Hero calls $2.35

Flop: ($10.15) J♠, 5♠, 5♦ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($28.15) 6♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $21, Hero raises $42, Button calls $14.15 (All-In)

River: ($98.45) Q♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $98.45


#4

villian: vpip 40 / pfr 28 / 3bet 7.5 / contiflop 47 / AF 4.3 / hands 218

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($25)
Button ($25)
SB ($47.13)
BB ($29.99)
Hero (UTG) ($28.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J♥, J♦
Hero bets $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB raises $4.65, 3 folds

Total pot: $3.25


#5

villian: vpip 19 / pfr 15 / 3bet 5.8 / conti 63% / AF 6.0 / hands 608

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($4.63)
Hero (SB) ($9.60)
BB ($6.98)
UTG ($5)
MP ($5.11)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♦, A♦
2 folds, Button calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.33, BB raises $1, 2 folds

Total pot: $0.75


Terminatorchief
Joined: 14.10.2008

hello!

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $74.45
BTN: $50.00
SB: $73.00
BB: $78.00
UTG: $56.95
Hero (MP): $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 9Spade 9Heart

fold, Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $6.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $14.00, CO calls $8.00

Flop: ($28.75, 2 players) TDiamond ADiamond 4Heart
Hero checks, CO bets $17.75, fold

v. is playing: 31/23. 3bet: 9%
v. has been 3betting me a lot. i wanted to 4bet broke here because i thing that v. could go broke with worse hands and because i want to to know that he shouldn´t 3bet me so much. would it be better to just fold? is a call ip possible?


Terminatorchief
Joined: 14.10.2008

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $56.00
MP: $59.60
CO: $50.00
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $54.50
BB: $51.50

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has JSpade ASpade

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, BB raises to $5.00, Hero calls $3.00

Flop: ($10.00, 2 players) 6Heart AHeart 3Club
Hero checks, BB bets $5.50, Hero raises to $17.50, fold

v. is playing 21/19. 3bet. 9%
what is the best preflop play here? playing oop is ugly but i can´t 4bet broke for value. so i would have to 4bet fold as a bluff. i think the hand is to strong for that. so is the call correct even if we have to play oop?


Terminatorchief
Joined: 14.10.2008

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $50.00
Hero (CO): $92.75
BTN: $65.90
SB: $142.20
BB: $129.45

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 9Diamond 9Club

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($8.75, 2 players) TDiamond 6Heart 3Heart
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25

Turn: ($23.25, 2 players) 9Heart
Hero checks, BTN bets $25.00, Hero raises to $81.50 and is all-in, fold

hero is playing 78/54. 3bet: 39% on the first 50 händs, postlfop very aggressive
against this maniac i would probably play 4bet broke for 100bb in these positions. but we are a little bit deeper. can i still 4bet broke here?


villain's stats in SB are 23% VPIP, 22% PFR, with 3bet 10% over 800 hands.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP1$9.88:///////;MP2$24.30:///////;MP3$22.30:///////;CO (Hero)$31.72:///////;BU$24.50:///////;SB$8.62:///////;BB$25.36:///////;UTG2$30.29:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:s, K:d.
3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, BU folds, SB calls $0.90, BB raises to $4.50, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $11.00, SB folds, BB raises to $25.61, Hero calls $14.36.

Flop: ($51.97) 3:c, 2:c, Q:s (2 players)

Turn: ($51.97) 9:d (2 players)

River: ($51.97) 7:s (2 players)

Final Pot: $51.97.

Results follow:

Hero shows high card ace(A:s K:d).
BB shows a pair of aces(A:d A:h).

BB wins with a pair of aces(A:d A:h).


only 31 hands with the villain. he is 16/6 with no 3bet.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO (Hero)$25.00:///////;BU$24.15:///////;SB$10.39:///////;BB$51.40:///////;UTG2$33.25:///////;MP1$25.00:///////;MP2$9.83:///////;MP3$6.30:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:c, K:s.
UTG2 raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, UTG2 raises to $33.25, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $5.55(All-In), Hero calls $21.50(All-In).

Flop: ($65.65) 7:d, 4:s, 7:s (3 players)

Turn: ($65.65) J:h (3 players)

River: ($65.65) 8:s (3 players)

Final Pot: $65.65.

Results follow:

Hero shows two pairs, kings and sevens(K:c K:s).
UTG2 shows two pairs, aces and sevens(A:d A:s).
MP3 shows two pairs, sevens and fives(5:c 5:h).

UTG2 wins with two pairs, aces and sevens(A:d A:s).


villain's preflop stats 38/8/4 over 220 hands, with no 3bet in BU.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BB$10.00:///////;UTG2$17.40:///////;MP1$10.26:///////;MP2$4.00:///////;MP3$21.47:///////;CO (Hero)$10.00:///////;BU$11.23:///////;SB$11.60:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:d, A:d.
UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, BU raises to $1.30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10.00, BU calls $8.70.

Flop: ($20.45) 9:d, 7:c, 3:c (2 players)

Turn: ($20.45) 6:h (2 players)

River: ($20.45) 6:d (2 players)

Final Pot: $20.45.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of sixs(K:d A:d).
BU shows two pairs, aces and sixs(A:h A:c).

BU wins with two pairs, aces and sixs(A:h A:c).


villain pre flop stats 45/26/8 over 140 hands

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BB$8.70:///////;UTG2$3.50:///////;MP1$10.00:///////;MP2$9.77:///////;MP3 (Hero)$10.00:///////;CO$15.81:///////;BU$10.00:///////;SB$8.25:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A:s, Q:h.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.25) 3:h, 3:c, K:c (2 players)
BB bets $1.00, Hero folds, BB gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $1.25.


villain is 43/10/9.2 preflop over 200 hands

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$10.00:///////;BU$32.40:///////;SB$10.49:///////;BB$7.33:///////;UTG1 (Hero)$10.00:///////;UTG2$1.43:///////;MP1$10.73:///////;MP2$10.00:///////;MP3$10.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with A:c, Q:h.
Hero raises to $0.30, 5 folds, BU raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.15) K:d, 2:h, 8:c (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10.

Turn: ($1.35) 8:h (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0.60, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $1.35.


MP3 has 67/25/4 over 770 hands
BB has 38/13/14 only 30 hands.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]UTG1$9.85:///////;UTG2$5.37:///////;MP1$12.47:///////;MP2$10.00:///////;MP3$15.22:///////;CO$10.13:///////;BU$9.26:///////;SB (Hero)$10.08:///////;BB$8.98:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:s, J:s.
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.30, MP3 raises to $1.00, Hero calls $0.60, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($3) 4:s, 5:c, 3:d (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets $1.20, Hero folds, BB folds, MP3 gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $3.


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