[Closed] NL4 Party (almost) has me defeated - advice? [Stats&Graphs inside]

Same here on NL10 on party ♦
Hit up and down and now 2 days i cant get a single session in +

Lost third part of my BR.

What's going on? I am almost sure that a combination of a NIT style, fat valuebets and smart CCs IP (when you got the donk dominated) is sure to make you money when your opposition plays badly.
Yet, after 3k+ hands all I see is a bloody reverse nanonoko...

so you played 3k hands and are loosing?

I am consistently making mistakes and not realising it

OVERmine all skills and experience I thought I had

fixed your post,you're welcome

just out of curiosity,how were your results on NL 25,in what year and what sample,something huge like,250 hands?

Originally posted by furculision
so you played 3k hands and are loosing?

I am consistently making mistakes and not realising it

OVERmine all skills and experience I thought I had

fixed your post,you're welcome

just out of curiosity,how were your results on NL 25,in what year and what sample,something huge like,250 hands?

you go be a dick somewhere else.

You play too loose for this level. Nowadays something between 10/12 - 16/14 might be the best for nl4-5sh I guess. Fold more

yeah I realised that (it's in my lengthy post). I have tightened up a lot now, see what happens.
I was quite surprised to see myself losing so much with my usual style, because it seems to work quite well on NL5 on Stars. Well I guess it's way more nitty over there.

Cheers.

I am a solid player, I've played a lot of NL2-NL25

NL4 has me beat-advice?

lol,i guess you had it coming,didn't you?

don't be mad bro

yeah on second thought that does sound kind of shit. But that was supposed to be like a "i'm doing well in poker, the bigger my surprise was when i started losing so consistently on what seems an easy limit" context.

But there's still no reason for you to come here and be a dick.

If you want to troll go and find an atheist forum and announce you are there to help them all find god or something. There really isn't any place for it here.

Originally posted by METALzx
You play too loose for this level. Nowadays something between 10/12 - 16/14 might be the best for nl4-5sh I guess. Fold more

not neccessarily i play 50/45 and have a 10bb winrate/50k hands @10-50nl

Originally posted by SrintNZ

Originally posted by METALzx
You play too loose for this level. Nowadays something between 10/12 - 16/14 might be the best for nl4-5sh I guess. Fold more

not neccessarily i play 50/45 and have a 10bb winrate/50k hands @10-50nl

yeah but it's not NL4 is it? imo there's a quite big gap between NL4-5 and NL10+ in terms of fishiness... i.e. you can do well with 30/25 in NL10 but it will most definately (if you're an average and leaky player like me) kill you in NL4-5.

i agree you shouldnt be playing lag until you have a good grip of the game, but no i dont agree with your logic why.

The point in playing alot of hands is because you get more opportunities to hit hands to valuebet them since they will be calling you light, and will usually adjust in horrible ways to the ways you're playing.

As for the thread, play ~10k hands before looking at any results, your total amount of hands is less than i play most days

I'd love to be able to play profitable LAG 50-45. It would be such amazing fun. Far more interactive than my own 13-10

Originally posted by inlovewithamsterdam

Originally posted by furculision
so you played 3k hands and are loosing?

I am consistently making mistakes and not realising it

OVERmine all skills and experience I thought I had

fixed your post,you're welcome

just out of curiosity,how were your results on NL 25,in what year and what sample,something huge like,250 hands?

you go be a dick somewhere else.

Agreed. 2+2 is that way ------>. This forum would be awful if these type of idiots, like furculision, start running rampant around here.

To OP, look at your play while defending your blinds. You seem to be losing lots of value there.

great, cheers for the input.

i realised i need to work really hard on my game, need to practise and study more. so much to improve.

Originally posted by ManoloB99

Originally posted by inlovewithamsterdam

Originally posted by furculision
so you played 3k hands and are loosing?

I am consistently making mistakes and not realising it

OVERmine all skills and experience I thought I had

fixed your post,you're welcome

just out of curiosity,how were your results on NL 25,in what year and what sample,something huge like,250 hands?

you go be a dick somewhere else.

Agreed. 2+2 is that way ------>. This forum would be awful if these type of idiots, like furculision, start running rampant around here.

To OP, look at your play while defending your blinds. You seem to be losing lots of value there.

show me a serious thread posing a serious problem and i'll bring my serious face,i assure you.

and btw,what limits do you play,mmm?

alright mate:

lately I realised I'm an ok reg (hence my previous 'successes' - getting from NL2FR to NL25FR&cashing out, good rate on nl5 and nl10 SH on stars) who has a number of leaks and some tilt problems. I need to work on the fundamentals, so I'll stay on nl4 and nl5 SH.

The thread is finished and i don't care so why don't you just mark all of this in your diary with a smiley face and a "well done" and piss off.

Chin up mate. If you won before, generally you can win again.

When I last made a serious poker run in 2009 I was crushing NL10, NL25 full ring. I then moved to NL25 SH / NL50 SH trying to increase my volume (bonus chasing).

In moving to SH I failed to properly adjust to the 6 handed format (from 10 at the time on iPoker). I mostly over-adjusted, pushing too many loose calls / going broke too often with top pairs and overpairs.

My win rate evaporated and I went from a solid profitable micro grinder to a losing TagFish.

Perhaps you need to take a really close look at how you have adjusted to NLSH. If, like me, you are a more conservative person in general, maybe NLSH just isn't for you. I have abandoned SH and am back to being a slightly profitable NLFR player, rather than trying to force myself to play as something I am not.

Also, take a close look at your bluff frequencies / fancy play. Often as I get more relaxed and confident I will start to make more aggressive plays and take fancier lines, e.g. floats and squeezes. The rub is the more you fire these plays the less successful they are, so jamming down hard on how often you are pulling these - and better picking WHO you attack - can make a massive difference to your win rate.

If you find your win rate was good 2 tabling, solid 4 tabling and went to water 8 tabling (mine did exactly this) - cut down the number of tables you play. Avoid fast tables. Give yourself a chance to consider and make the right decision more often.

Hope to hear you are back on the profitable track soon.

that's a great post, thank you.

Yeah it happened to me too during the transition from FR to SH - I overdid it with the aggression. However I was keen on learning the new format and now don't do that mistake any more. I have to say I like SH, but I am not doing as well as I'd like because my game often lacks focus, is a bit leaky plus I get easily tilted. I need to put more thought into my poker.

I started working on it all lately and I already feel better. Watched some vids, made notes.
Had a good session yesterday on nl4 and nl5 sh. I tried to mind who I'm playing against, to have a plan for the hand, to think in ranges when Cbetting, to vary my bet sizes according to circumstances (ex. to a fish it doesn't matter if you bet 3/4, 3/5 or 1/2 pot - if they have a hand they wish to continue with, they will; a spot to save money), to 3bet the right people pre-flop, to valuebet thinly... and the list goes on.

You're so right with the tables, my game deteriorates if I play 6 or more tables. I don't play more than 4 now.

Cheers for the post again, I'll hop to see your blog! I might start one of my own actually.