nl4 Was This an Incorrect Fold?

Hi, Ghartman!

Yes, you do have excellent odds to call the river since your opponent bets so small. And one thing you didn't mention that favours the call is that you have position! That is quite valuable since, were you out of position, you'd have a harder time extracting value from your opponents (would you go for a check/raise? And if they both check behind? Would you bet instead? Etc.). In position you can always extract maximum value. So that counts a lot towards your implied odds as well, i.e., the $ you can still extract on the river.

Of corse, only bad thing is one of your opponents might have A :heart:x since they are so loose. But since they are so loose they might often have a lower flush draw as well, so if you do call I don't see how not going broke on the river.

Regarding your other question, I'd never ever raise turn here! Then again, we're in position and getting excellent odds. By raising against two opponents we risk a lot getting called (thus ruining our odds) and what is our plan if he re-raises?

Finally, I don't think either has a set. If they did, fireworks would probably be happening as they'd both try to protect from the flush draw. Of course, from time to time they might, but not often. And still, you have decent equity against a set with your second nut flush draw, so being in position I'd go ahead an call. If we were out of position I think it gets much closer, but against this opponents and with these odds I'd probably call as well, since they're prone to make mistakes and/or fall in lost with a small flush thus paying us off if we hit.

Best regards!

Thanks for the reply Luiz,

Yes, this particular hand was on my mind. They both had A 10 and the 3rd heart came on the river. I'm not too bothered about the result but, for some reason, I went back and analysed the hand and was quite surprised by the result. I'll try and perfect the maths in situations like these because in the long run I'm sure these are the kind of spots that make the real difference!

Originally posted by Ghartman
Thanks for the reply Luiz,

Yes, this particular hand was on my mind. They both had A 10 and the 3rd heart came on the river. I'm not too bothered about the result but, for some reason, I went back and analysed the hand and was quite surprised by the result. I'll try and perfect the maths in situations like these because in the long run I'm sure these are the kind of spots that make the real difference!

Every little thing does. You can take 5BB/100 hands as an ok winrate; so if you make a mistake that costs you 2 or 3 BB in one single hand it will take you ~15 orbits of good play to get back to break even again.

I'm not saying you should think like that, results oriented thinking is a disaster in poker. I'm just saying to take care with every detail since those details add up immensely throughout the month and make a big impact on winrate. Poker is a game of details.