AK from CO, Against two Villians on the flop

first raise more preflop after the limper.something like 325-350

on the flop just shove after their raises.go borke with TPTK.

Originally posted by alxpoker91
first raise more preflop after the limper.something like 325-350

on the flop just shove after their raises.go borke with TPTK.

+1.

I would assume both of them to be bad from bet and raise sizes so shoving is fine. Also it doesn't hurt to have some backdoor draws as backup.

I agree with alx that the preflop bet needs to be larger, but how large is the correct size. If we deal with it from a math view and pot odds, the aim is to make it incorrect for villain to call your bet and see the flop given your AKo and his range. i had a look at the following article on bet sizing by Blurr88

how to calculate a pot size raise

with 250 in the pot after the MP limp your 250 bet gives the following odds for calling

SB 200 to win 500 - 2.5:1
bb 150 to win 700 - 4.6:1 if sb calls or 3:1 if he doesn't
MP 150 to win 850 if all call or 5.3:1 making a call necessary!!!

using blurr88's formula, in order to at least give one caller either BB or MP 2:1 odds, the raise would need to be 3*100+150 or 450

now SB gets 1.75:1
BB or MP gets 2:1 if only one of them calls.

If everyone still calls then BB gets 3.1:1 and MP gets 4.1:1. Of course in a $1 SNG anything goes and I do not expect people know the math.

Originally posted by SecurityDrew
I agree with alx that the preflop bet needs to be larger, but how large is the correct size. If we deal with it from a math view and pot odds, the aim is to make it incorrect for villain to call your bet and see the flop given your AKo and his range. i had a look at the following article on bet sizing by Blurr88

how to calculate a pot size raise

with 250 in the pot after the MP limp your 250 bet gives the following odds for calling

SB 200 to win 500 - 2.5:1
bb 150 to win 700 - 4.6:1 if sb calls or 3:1 if he doesn't
MP 150 to win 850 if all call or 5.3:1 making a call necessary!!!

using blurr88's formula, in order to at least give one caller either BB or MP 2:1 odds, the raise would need to be 3*100+150 or 450

now SB gets 1.75:1
BB or MP gets 2:1 if only one of them calls.

If everyone still calls then BB gets 3.1:1 and MP gets 4.1:1. Of course in a $1 SNG anything goes and I do not expect people know the math.

Heyy SecurityDrew, thank you for the advice!... I'll take a look to that article! and I'll search for another spot like this one in my hands!

also nice blog! I will follow your blog trying to learn from you!!

Originally posted by alxpoker91
first raise more preflop after the limper.something like 325-350

on the flop just shove after their raises.go borke with TPTK.

Thanks for your quick response!

Originally posted by SecurityDrew
I agree with alx that the preflop bet needs to be larger, but how large is the correct size. If we deal with it from a math view and pot odds, the aim is to make it incorrect for villain to call your bet and see the flop given your AKo and his range. i had a look at the following article on bet sizing by Blurr88

how to calculate a pot size raise

with 250 in the pot after the MP limp your 250 bet gives the following odds for calling

SB 200 to win 500 - 2.5:1
bb 150 to win 700 - 4.6:1 if sb calls or 3:1 if he doesn't
MP 150 to win 850 if all call or 5.3:1 making a call necessary!!!

using blurr88's formula, in order to at least give one caller either BB or MP 2:1 odds, the raise would need to be 3*100+150 or 450

now SB gets 1.75:1
BB or MP gets 2:1 if only one of them calls.

If everyone still calls then BB gets 3.1:1 and MP gets 4.1:1. Of course in a $1 SNG anything goes and I do not expect people know the math.

Just take into account also that in sng stacks tend to be shallow. If you make loose pot odds call preflop you want to have good implied odds with your weakish hand in case you hit hard. Do you want to play for stacks postflop with KTo in KJ5 board if you call from blinds in multiway pot in this hand? Well basically you have to as that is one of best flops you hope to get, but I would never be happy about it.

Also chips lost are more worth than those won and in many case it is better to preserve your stack size than make very marginal calls based on pot odds preflop. 450 would be unnecessarily big in this case and I don't see reason to go over 350 considering we are playing 20 bb deep.

Pure pot odds thinking is better for cash games where you are usually at least 100bb deep and decisions are based purely on cEV. Well obviously you have to remember even in cash games that there is 4 streets to play and loose decisions preflop might get you into very tough situations postflop.