from 320$-5000$ through nl10-nl50

Hi martinemem,

This looks like a fun one I hope you make it with a nice profit to.

My only problem is I can't really cheer asimos can I, that would be mean to you! Sorry asimos! ♦

Good running and have fun,

Mal.

Originally posted by gadget51
Hi martinemem,

This looks like a fun one I hope you make it with a nice profit to.

My only problem is I can't really cheer asimos can I, that would be mean to you! Sorry asimos! ♦

Good running and have fun,

Mal.

Well, this is a challenge for me also.. However I strongly believe that simple solid poker is enough to have a high win rate below 50nl. Not sure about the outcome, but it should be fun.

Some things should go smoothly though for challenge to be successful. 1) Martin should not deviate from game plan.. having that said imo he needs around 50K only to get used this play style, since he used to play totally different (and we didn't specify the plan in total yet.. this will be happening in the process). 2) many things can happen in 100K 3) I m not a coach myself so I can advice only for things I m 100% the are correct.

But it should be fun.. and I think whatever the outcome will be Martin and I will have gained a lot of experience at the end of the day. (hope not by loosing Martin's money ♦)

Personally I would consider a success for him to achieve anything positive in such sample + he will have develop discipline and stamina which are both as important as strategy knowledge... Let's see what happens!! gl

So 1st session after hear about ranges etc.

683 hands

Made concerning many mistakes, but, i guess its just a part of starting playing completely different. Around be session aswell. Huge blunders however, which would have made the session +.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 281.5 BB (VPIP: 9.86, PFR: 5.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
BB: 32.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 129.1 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 22.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 142)
MP: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ T♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠ 6♠ 4♥
CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
CO checks, Hero bets 27.2 BB, CO calls 27.2 BB

River: (93.9 BB, 2 players) 6♥
CO checks, Hero checks

Oh and 1st hand of session, first bb. It kinda crushed me a little. Since i KNEW i should call this river bet, but the other guy calls. However, he had been snapcalling everytime it was his turn, which made me feel even more stupid folding:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118.2 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 105.6 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 111.7 BB
MP: 164.9 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♠ K♠

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) K♦ T♥ 8♣
SB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, UTG calls 6.5 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB, fold

Turn: (31.5 BB, 3 players) 7♦
Hero checks, UTG bets 12 BB, BTN calls 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (67.5 BB, 3 players) 9♠
Hero checks, UTG bets 15 BB, BTN calls 15 BB, fold

Another day tomorrow.

Originally posted by martinemem

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 281.5 BB (VPIP: 9.86, PFR: 5.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
BB: 32.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 129.1 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 22.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 142)
MP: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ T♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠ 6♠ 4♥
CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
CO checks, Hero bets 27.2 BB, CO calls 27.2 BB

River: (93.9 BB, 2 players) 6♥
CO checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

CO shows J♠ Q♣ (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes) (Pre 41%, Flop 87%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks K♦ T♠ (One Pair, Sixes) (Pre 59%, Flop 13%, Turn 14%)
CO wins 89.7 BB

This was very bad played imo.
1. You have to think callers range oop. It is all the hands they cant 4bet stack off, but too strong to fold vs 3bet. So villain's range has AQ,KQ,QJ,AJ,JJ,TT,99 and the most combos of his range are Qx!!!

2. Now regarding your range KT is on the weakest side. You have a lot better hands to barrel, like KK+,QQ,AQ,KQ, and you can check back flop, to call vs bet your weak Qxs you 3bet bluff pre. Then you can also bet fds, and be bluff AK. (now A is an out vs i.e QJ and K also could be an out)

The A on the turn makes things even worse for u to keep barreling. Now, instead of Qx he has in his range, all Ax hit also!!!! Yes A is an over card and gives you a gutshot... BUT smashes Villain's range!!!

I would check back the flop and fold the turn vs bet.

Originally posted by martinemem
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118.2 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 105.6 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 111.7 BB
MP: 164.9 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♠ K♠

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) K♦ T♥ 8♣
SB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, UTG calls 6.5 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB, fold

Turn: (31.5 BB, 3 players) 7♦
Hero checks, UTG bets 12 BB, BTN calls 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (67.5 BB, 3 players) 9♠
Hero checks, UTG bets 15 BB, BTN calls 15 BB, fold

Spoiler

UTG shows 6♦ 9♦ (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 40%, Flop 19%, Turn 91%)
BTN mucks 8♥ K♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Eights) (Pre 60%, Flop 81%, Turn 9%)
UTG wins 93.1 BB

Preflop I m not sure if it is a call. Those are not the odds you are looking for, when even Villain's mother had called. Multiway pot oop will be very difficult to realize your equity.

A6s is probably a call though, but I would play fit fold post flop.

(IF it was hu vs btn go ahead and call... now the odds are very good to fold.)

Now post flop if you consider utg's range + multi way pot + iso pot u are not doing so well. I would just check - call flop and abandon the hand...

And yes, given the odds -as played- I won't comment river fold

Originally posted by asimos

Originally posted by martinemem

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 281.5 BB (VPIP: 9.86, PFR: 5.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
BB: 32.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 129.1 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 22.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 142)
MP: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ T♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠ 6♠ 4♥
CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
CO checks, Hero bets 27.2 BB, CO calls 27.2 BB

River: (93.9 BB, 2 players) 6♥
CO checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

CO shows J♠ Q♣ (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes) (Pre 41%, Flop 87%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks K♦ T♠ (One Pair, Sixes) (Pre 59%, Flop 13%, Turn 14%)
CO wins 89.7 BB

This was very bad played imo.
1. You have to think callers range oop. It is all the hands they cant 4bet stack off, but too strong to fold vs 3bet. So villain's range has AQ,KQ,QJ,AJ,JJ,TT,99 and the most combos of his range are Qx!!!

2. Now regarding your range KT is on the weakest side. You have a lot better hands to barrel, like KK+,QQ,AQ,KQ, and you can check back flop, to call vs bet your weak Qxs you 3bet bluff pre. Then you can also bet fds, and be bluff AK. (now A is an out vs i.e QJ and K also could be an out)

The A on the turn makes things even worse for u to keep barreling. Now, instead of Qx he has in his range, all Ax hit also!!!! Yes A is an over card and gives you a gutshot... BUT smashes Villain's range!!!

I would check back the flop and fold the turn vs bet.

I think bet flop bet turn is fine, though sizings are a bit too big on flop and turn, go 9bb and 23bb and you still have the whole "setting up for river jam" sizing.

Villain calls heaps of PP, any FD on the flop, the pockets we get to fold on the turn, the flush draws we check back river and win against like 87ss 98ss T9ss JTss. It's really not a good flop for villain to float Ax OOP so I don't agree that it smashes villains range at all.

I think bet flop bet turn is fine, though sizings are a bit too big on flop and turn, go 9bb and 23bb and you still have the whole "setting up for river jam" sizing.

Villain calls heaps of PP, any FD on the flop, the pockets we get to fold on the turn, the flush draws we check back river and win against like 87ss 98ss T9ss JTss. It's really not a good flop for villain to float Ax OOP so I don't agree that it smashes villains range at all.

I don't think people call 78s(1 comb),98s(1 comb) oop vs 3bet. And TJs(1), 9Ts(1) are very little combos in comparison to AQ, KQ, QJ (12+9+12). And he can float with AsX, so we cant exclude Ax from his range.

We could make pp fold by betting.. but again not many combos and not many of them (99, TT), probably Villain should stack off pre JJ+. Villain's range is broadway heavy in total.

The biggest mistake in the KTo hand is that i dont just check flop. 2nd biggest mistake is not my bet on flop, but my sizing on turn. I remember thinking: "He might lvl himself into folding Qx since i bet so huge with this exact sizing".
I think.
My biggest issue with cb this flop with AK without a spade, or the Ks, is that both the A and K isnt clean outs. As you said most of his range consists of a Q. This means K can be a dirty out, and Ace aswell, plus you might not get paid off when it IS the best hand. And most likely not get paid when its an spade A or K you hit.

K6s i was unsure about, since a k-high flop 4 way might not be good enough to bet into. But the flush potentiel and the friend in UTG made me think it was an ok call. But i hate how i played it postflop. Either i should bet smaller on the flop, or i should just check. From there its unsurden what would have happened. In this particular spot with a guy with 2 pair, he might have raised if i bet smaller, and i would probably have gotten callers from all gutshots aswell 4 way with smaller sizing.
Good thing is, now i have a huge tell on this guy on the bu.

Originally posted by martinemem
My biggest issue with cb this flop with AK without a spade, or the Ks, is that both the A and K isnt clean outs. As you said most of his range consists of a Q. This means K can be a dirty out, and Ace aswell, plus you might not get paid off when it IS the best hand. And most likely not get paid when its an spade A or K you hit.

Totally agree, the thing is that AK is kind of the best bluffing hand you can have. But you can always check back to decide turn, and cbet only the combos with the spade.

Originally posted by martinemem

I will use 30 bi brm.
Move down when i reach 25 bi for current limit.
Move up when i have 30 bi for next limit.
I leave table when above 150bb

don't do that! you should have a bigger edge playing deep vs recreational players and weaker regs.

Originally posted by booomm
don't do that! you should have a bigger edge playing deep vs recreational players and weaker regs.

Deeper increases the varianse which i dont mind at all. But the gameplan changes aswell, also pf ranges. And since the deal is to play 100k hands with a gameplan suited for 100bb, it would not make sense to make the gameplan suboptimal. After all, it would be naive to believe a 400-800bb pot is that common.

Dont get me wrong, i used to play as deep as i could get. But since im kinda starting from scratch, i could just aswell do it 100%

Originally posted by martinemem
As you said most of his range consists of a Q.

"Most" is quite an exaggeration imo, conceptually it might sound like it makes sense but I think if you actually look at some ranges it is hard to construct a 3bet flatting range that is mostly Qx on this flop.

This is what I think is pretty average range of nl10 player to flat 3b CO vs BU. I'm not saying I think its a good play to flat 87s OOP, but from my experience a lot of nl10 regs let alone fish do this, and also call oop Axs which I haven't even put in the range. They're pretty stationy vs my 3bets but I don't know hero's image nor stats of villains so I guess its hard to do any proper analysis.

Originally posted by metza

This is what I think is pretty average range of nl10 player to flat 3b CO vs BU. I'm not saying I think its a good play to flat 87s OOP, but from my experience a lot of nl10 regs let alone fish do this, and also call oop Axs which I haven't even put in the range. They're pretty stationy vs my 3bets but I don't know hero's image nor stats of villains so I guess its hard to do any proper analysis.

Well, then if this is the case villain's fold vs 3bet would be around 40% or sth (if you add a 4bet value/ 4bet bluff range).

So they don't fold vs 3bet at 10nl now days?

Then probably KT is not good hand to 3bet pre first place.

Additionally, we should also consider our game plan. With this reasoning we should fire 3 at any flop (if you take a kind of wide range never hits any flop more than 1/3). KT is close to the worse we can have imo in a board like this. We have many hands in our range we can bet for value, and then AK (16comps) + fd etc should be enough. AJ also > AT > KT

This just isnt working, maybe i should move down to nl2. This is tilting me hard.

Beeing unsure about every single spot is so energy consuming, on top of letting so many +ev spots go, i cant handle play more today.
Im that bad.

Played ~500 hands, down around 2 bi.

1 more session later maybe.

Do you use a hud?

There's lots of different types of players. Some people you can 3bet super wide and they'll fold way too much. Some people just don't fold broadway's sc's and pp's, so you just have a value range. A lot of regs have an idea of what they're doing, but they're pretty terrible in general. I'm still terrible and I made it to nl25

I kinda like the KT hand btw, just bet smaller ott

I think yesterday was a mixture of 1 day off not playing poker (not repeating the new learned approach) and beeing frustrated and stressed about a lot of other things. Me and aimos had an emergency session last night, and in my tilted frustrated state, i managed to pull out wrong graphs and numbers from when i started playing with this gameplan.

I should just stay more calm really. Things will eventually work out with the correct amt of work behind the tables.

Yesterday i played another session short after the first, after getting reasured that im just impatient ;D.
So 1075 hands on top of 411 from first session.
Which brings me to:
3074/100k

PLEASE DO NO INSTANT CHECK RIVER TO ME, OR IM GONNA SPEW MY HOLE STACK TO YOU:

Stupidity beyond sanity. Ok i have odds because you click it back, so i can hit trips with good odds now:

When does villain learn, that when i bet big, and you raises, you always have QQ-KK, and i beat you everytime:

Microstake player's biggest dilemma: I DONT CARE IF I DONT BEAT ANYTHING IN UR RANGE, IMMA SHOVE THOOSE TRIPS HERE.

Today homework went somewhat fast, so lets see how the grind goes today.

882 hands played.

Played a little better than i did in yesterdays 2nd session.

And then i go make this spew:

Happy overall though.

I like how my hands pr hour went from 368 in yesterdays 1st session to 967 in yesterdays 2nd session and todays session.

Hand count so far:

Btw is it nice, or annoying to put everything in spoilers? I do it mainly to not make the post apear like long walls.

Btw is it nice, or annoying to put everything in spoilers? I do it mainly to not make the post apear like long walls.

I think it's ok

1.2k session. 6.5bb session, 30bb ev.

I think its fine to fold here, i dont beat much anymore. Ks, Kd and Kc could be debatable i guess. Kh shouldnt be.