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IP vs PFR BUvMP nuts: turn jam?

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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 168.92 BB (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 44)
BB: 109.4 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 82.48 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 102.48 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
CO: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 23.91, PFR: 18.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, Hands: 141)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♠ 4♠

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.4 BB, 2 players) 3♠ A♠ 2♦
MP checks, Hero bets 4.84 BB, MP raises to 17.04 BB, Hero calls 12.2 BB

Turn: (49.48 BB, 2 players) 8♥
MP bets 28 BB, Hero: (78bb left)

PREFLOP
The question I have is if in position when 3betting you prefer hands like 78s-T9sor smaller SCs like 45s-76s
The second one is better for board coverage, deception on low boards, doesn't have as many dominated straights

The Higher SCs can have straights and TP dominated but flop top pairs that beat lower pocket pairs like 77-99

I'm still not convinced and if I fold or 3bet them still have the tendency to like 89s over 56s

FLOP

His raise seems really weird I don't want to raise to keep hands like random Ax etc. in my range + the guy to keep bluffing.

TURN
he left less than half pot for river - and regs generally underbluff rivers at 25
So do we call on the off chance he still has air
Or just jam here, he should struggle to fold anything when he took this line really that hit the board


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

PRE
Hmm, I'm not 3betting SC's in that spot too much, but would rather choose the lower ones and cc the higher ones vs his MP open just to be able to defend more and a hand like 45s plays worse in a SRP than 89s-T9s.

FLOP
Infact it looks weird but on NL25 I never see these lines as a bluff. That's why I'd just 3bet and get it in.

TURN
I think either way makes sense. If I assume he's almost never bluffing I get the money in anyways, better on the turn imo because of the slight chance that he's slowing down on the four-card straight or when the flush hits

edit: In case he has a set we give him free equity to draw to his boat.. so yeah, a little bit for protection too


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Yeah vs 2x I can call all of them
but e.g. COvs UTG I need to decide between the low ones and higher ones as call's probably -ev


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Theoretically, when you have 45, villain will often hold one of your outs if 23 fall on the board.

In this case vs. 2x maybe just call.

On the flop this one:

"FLOP
Infact it looks weird but on NL25 I never see these lines as a bluff. That's why I'd just 3bet and get it in."


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I am calling SCs heredown to 65s.
In fact vs a 2bb open I tend to 3bet very wide, so I do not mind calling or 3 betting. The problem with 3 betting is that we will play a draw in a big pot.

On flop, no need to be tricky, just 3B and try to get it in.

On turn, I prefer jamming.You do not know whether a spade can kill the action. Better take what you can while he still is interested in the pot.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Flop flat is fine given the redraw. Don't mind a 3bet either. Probably prefer it.

Turn is a super easy jam imo. Ax isn't likely to fold.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Postflop: I truly don't know what has the highest EV. Flop aggression, turn aggression or keeping your cool until the river.

Preflop: You give the arguments yourself in OP. If you 3-bet very wide, all can go in. Otherwise, I'd go with as much distribution as possible. Call all red combos and 3-bet the black?


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

Originally posted by LemOn36
Yeah vs 2x I can call all of them
but e.g. COvs UTG I need to decide between the low ones and higher ones as call's probably -ev

Gotcha... 89s is sth. I'd always defend passively there, think 87s is borderline and that's where I would start. So yeah, the lower ones would probably also my choice there then :)


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