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Poll results: Can we make a valuebet here? (hand 2a))
Voter(s): 8
Poll is closed Sep 25, 2007
No, we are beat nearly everytime if he bets. (check/fold)  -  votes: 7 / 87.5%
7
87.5%
No, better go for bluff induce. (check/call)  -  votes: 3 / 37.5%
3
37.5%
Yes, easy valuebet. (bet/call)  -  votes: 2 / 25%
2
25%
Yes, but we should fold to a raise. (bet/fold)  -  votes: 8 / 100%
8
100%

[Closed] Instructional sample hands (for FL!) #8

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The poll is dedicated to hand 2a) this time.

1) "Error-hand" Inspired through the german hand judges where I have to act like a beginner and describe my action. And you judge the hand and correct me if I'm wrong. :)

0,10/0,20 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A♥, A♣
UTG folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, BU calls, SB folds, BB checks.

I'm in early position and want to get as many players in as possible so I only limp in.

Flop: (5,50 SB) 7♣, 2♣, J♠ (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, BU calls, BB folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, BU folds.

My hand is still very strong so I play for maximum value.

Turn: (5,25 BB) 2♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

I bet again but now MP1 raises me and I'm afraid of the trips he might have so I just call him.

River: (9,25 BB) K♠ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

He might also raised his flushdraw or his jack on the turn and I don't want him to check behind. To the raise I fear again to be behind so I just call.

Final Pot: 13,25 BB

2) Valuebets on the river?

a) MP3: 51/8/40/0.5

0.50/1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♥, Q♣
MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K♦, 6♣, 7♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J♥ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (5.25 BB) A♣ (2 players)
Hero ???

b) CO is a TAG from PS.com (21/17/2,8/29) 300 hands

0.50/1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K♦, K♣
Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 5♦, 6♠, 9♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) J♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 9♠ (2 players)
Hero ???

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4 replies

I fear the poll answers are too long so that you don't post by yourself anymore. :/


1) Raise(+cap) preflop, continuation bet flop. The way it was played calldown to the turn raise.

2a) Looks like a passive fish. With this low AF a check for bluff induce has almost no value. On the other side he could call down with every 6, 7 or J. I guess he will raise the flush but even call the A. So we have an easy fold to a raise but may loose value if we check.

2b) After the 3-bet preflop and the flop raise villains range might be 77,88,TT (with a set or QQ+ he would have raised the turn), A9 or a flush draw with QTs+, A6s+. (correct?) We are ahead against everything exept A9 but he would never call with his busted flush draw.
The best line would be bet/fold again as he would never bet with a weaker hand. But we have to be able to fold to a raise - against a PS.com TAG practicable.


1)
Preflop: raise! Flop: ok Turn: 3-bet and call-down to cap
2a)
I voted check/fold. Betting is no option as the only worse hand he'd call with would be a J, which is not enough. If he bets to our check, he would have to bluff once in 7 times to make a call worthwhile. It's close, but I just see too many made hands he'd value-bet with (flushes, Kings and Aces), and too few he's bluff with (only busted straight draws really).
2b) His flop raise could very well have been a raise for a freecard. What worse hands would he call with given the hand sofar? I think: 88, TT, QQ
What worse hands will he fold? busted flush draws, AK
What better hands will he fold? None
What better hands will he call with? A9s, 99, AA, and he would raise these
What better hands will he bet on a check? The same as above
What worse hands will he bet on a check? TT, QQ, plus possible bluffs trying to represent the 9

So all in all, I think c/c is best to induce a bluff, because he will bet most worse hands he would have called with.


1) Correct, raise preflp. But Even if he just called the flop was played really bad. How can you expect a bad now? Bet and raise to knock out as many players as possible. The hand is not strong enough to play it for max valuwe. We need max protection.
The turn is a clear 3-bet. MP1 bet the flop with a 2? Highly unlikely. ;)

2) These were advanced hands so don't be afraid if you were wrong here. :)

a) Classical is right here. It's close but we don't beat anything he calls with and he is so passiv that he won't bluff very often.
Good to see that at least 35% were correct here. :)

b) Here the best line is to bet and call. Our hand is too strong to fold to a raise because he might even try a bluff raise. 99 and AA are not possible here because a PS.com TAG will raise these hand nearly alway aon the turn. Draws are unlikely because of his preflop 3-bet (Only a fd is possible.) But he won't raise a fd here because he has to expect that we a have a strong hand if we capped preflop. A check from out side after all the action my look suspicious and he might check behind with lower pair but will call the if we bet.