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justkyle88
Joined: 07.05.2008

Update # 40: as of 01:02:11

Values ​​given are the VPP's from 01.01.2010

  • NL FR
    NL 25 FR = 8.00 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 195.7 k hands)
    NL 50 FR VPP = 15.64 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 424.1 k hands)
    NL 100 FR VPP = 28.19 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 941.8 k hands)
    NL 200 FR VPP = 40.06 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 248.5 k hands)
    NL 400 FR VPP = 50.93 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 42.8 k Hands)
    NL 600 FR = 58.61 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 17.9 k Hands)
    NL FR 1000 VPP = 70.49 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 2.9 k hands)
  • NL SH
    NL 2 SH = 0.98 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 41.4 k Hands)
    NL 5 SH = 4.7 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 16.0 k Hands) - by VPP switch
    NL 10 SH = 4.35 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 38.2 k Hands)
    NL 25 SH VPP = 11.09 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 187.7 k hands)
    NL 50 SH VPP = 21.30 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 508.0 k hands)
    NL 100 SH VPP = 36.96 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 411.9 k hands)
    NL 200 SH VPP = 52.95 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 421.9 k hands)
    NL 400 SH VPP = 64.39 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 214.2 k hands)
    NL 600 SH VPP = 72.38 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 122.0 k hands)
    NL 1000 SH VPP = 80.66 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 79.5 k Hands)
    NL 2000 SH VPP = 86.90 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 4.0 k hands)
  • FL FR
    FL 0.50 / 1.00 FR = 13.03 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 62.9 k Hands)
    FL 1 / 2 FR = 20.77 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 263.0 k hands)
    FL 2 / 4 FR VPP = 32.14 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 26.0 k Hands)
    FL 3 / 6 FR VPP = 52.53 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 4.7 k hands)
  • FL SH
    FL 0.10 / 0.20 SH = 7.95 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 52.9 k Hands)
    FL 0.25 / 0.50 SH = 9.45 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 90.4 k Hands)
    FL 0.50 / 1.00 SH = 19.84 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 113.2 k hands)
    FL 1 / 2 SH = 33.63 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 156.6 k hands)
    FL 2 / 4 SH = 53.95 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 121.1 k hands)
    FL 3 / 6 SH = 82.90 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 23.1 k Hands)
    FL 5 / 10 SH VPP = 126.08 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 32.4 k Hands)
    FL 10/20 SH VPP = 162.80 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 0.8 k hands)
  • PLO
    PLO 10 SH = 9.73 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 42.0 k Hands)
    25 SH = PLO VPP 24.33 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 22.1 k Hands)
    50 SH = PLO VPP 41.17 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 4.9 k hands)
    100 SH = PLO VPP 65.40 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 54.8 k Hands)
  • NL HU
  • FL 8H FR
    O8FL 0,25 / 0,50 FR = 9.80 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 27.0 k Hands)
    O8FL 0.50 / 1.00 FR = 14.83 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 13.0 k Hands)
    O8FL 1 / 2 FR = 43,00 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 6.0 k hands)

Data collection of Borgi1967:

  • FL FR
    FL $ 0.5 / 1 = FR 13:54 VPP/100 (Rake: 2.26 BB/100 - Sample Size: 801.0 k hands)
    FL $ 1 / 2 = FR 20:41 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.70 BB/100 - Sample Size: 1095.1 k hands)
    FL $ 2 / 4 FR = VPP/100 34.15 (Rake: 1.42 BB/100 - Sample Size: 1061.6 k hands)
    FL $ 3 / 6 FR = VPP/100 54.49 (Rake: 1.51 BB/100 - Sample Size: 379.6 k hands)
    FL $ 5 / 10 FR = VPP/100 92.71 (Rake: 1.55 BB/100 - Sample Size: 236.6 k hands)
    FR = 139.57 FL $ 10/20 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.16 BB/100 - Sample size: 51.0 k Hands)
    15/30 FR = FL $ 158.50 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.88 BB/100 - Sample size: 47.9 k Hands)
    30/60 FR = FL $ 162.55 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.45 BB/100 - Sample size: 21.6 k Hands)
    FR = 168.80 FL $ 50/100 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.28 BB/100 - Sample size: 12.6 k Hands)
  • FL HU
    FL $ 0.5 / 1 HU = 32.20 VPP/100 (Rake: 5.84 BB/100 - Sample Size: 393.6 k hands)
    FL $ 1 / 2 HU = 54.16 VPP/100 (Rake: 4.90 BB/100 - Sample Size: 244.1 k hands)
    FL $ 2 / 4 HU = 34.06 VPP/100 (Rake: 3.80 BB/100 - Sample Size: 233.3 k hands)
    FL $ 3 / 6 HU = 81.20 VPP/100 (Rake: 2.45 BB/100 - Sample Size: 176.3 k hands)
    FL $ 5 / 10 HU = 98.35 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.78 BB/100 - Sample Size: 210.2 k hands)
    FL = 107.51 $ 10/20 HU VPP/100 (Rake: 0.97 BB/100 - Sample Size: 183.9 k hands)
    FL $ 206.19 = 15/30 HU VPP/100 (Rake: 1.18 BB/100 - Sample size: 38.3 k Hands)
    FL $ 202.18 = 30/60 HU VPP/100 (Rake: 0.58 BB/100 - Sample size: 33.7 k Hands)
    FL = 204.99 $ 50/100 HU VPP/100 (Rake: 0.35 BB/100 - Sample size: 25.0 k Hands)
    FL $ 100/200 HU = VPP/100 202.35 (Rake: 0.18 BB/100 - Sample size: 19.3 k Hands)
    FL $ 200/400 HU = VPP/100 397.98 (Rake: 0.17 BB/100 - Sample size: 3.8 k hands)
  • FL SH
    FL $ 0.5 / 1 SH = VPP/100 20.85 (Rake: 3.79 BB/100 - Sample Size: 993.4 k hands)
    FL $ 1 / 2 SH = VPP/100 33.48 (Rake: 3.04 BB/100 - Sample Size: 3318.4 k hands)
    FL $ 2 / 4 SH = VPP/100 51.81 (Rake: 2.35 BB/100 - Sample Size: 9898.0 k hands)
    FL $ 3 / 6 SH = VPP/100 82.34 (Rake: 2.50 BB/100 - Sample Size: 1093.9 k hands)
    FL $ 5 / 10 SH = VPP/100 132.18 (Rake: 2.40 BB/100 - Sample Size: 826.3 k hands)
    FL $ 10/20 SH = VPP/100 173.92 (Rake: 1.58 BB/100 - Sample Size: 430.8 k hands)
    FL $ SH = 15/30 VPP/100 184.09 (Rake: 1.12 BB/100 - Sample Size: 129.4 k hands)
    FL $ SH = 30/60 VPP/100 183.83 (Rake: 0.56 BB/100 - Sample Size: 109.2 k hands)
    $ 50/100 = 180.57 FL SH VPP/100 (Rake: 0.33 BB/100 - Sample size: 26.3 k Hands)
    $ 100/200 = 174.53 FL SH VPP/100 (Rake: 0.16 BB/100 - Sample size: 12.6 k Hands)
  • NL FR
    NL 25 FR = 9:46 VPP/100 (Rake: 3.15 BB/100 - Sample Size: 310.9 k hands)
    NL = 50 FR 18:13 VPP/100 (Rake: 3.02 BB/100 - Sample Size: 228.9 k hands)
    NL 100 FR = VPP/100 31.72 (Rake: 2.64 BB/100 - Sample Size: 237.1 k hands)
    NL 200 FR = VPP/100 46.90 (Rake: 1.95 BB/100 - Sample Size: 407.1 k hands)
    NL 400 FR = VPP/100 66.38 (Rake: 1.38 BB/100 - Sample Size: 337.8 k hands)
    NL 600 FR = VPP/100 74.43 (Rake: 1.03 BB/100 - Sample Size: 220.8 k hands)
    1000 NL FR = VPP/100 87.68 (Rake: 0.73 BB/100 - Sample Size: 136.4 k hands)
    NL 2000 FR = VPP/100 99.11 (Rake: 0.41 BB/100 - Sample size: 84.7 k Hands)
    5000 NL FR = VPP/100 100.81 (Rake: 0.17 BB/100 - Sample size: 50.3 k Hands)
  • NL HU
    NL 50 HU = 25.25 VPP/100 (Rake: 4.38 BB/100 - Sample size: 8.9 k hands)
    NL = 100 HU VPP/100 40.43 (Rake: 3.53 BB/100 - Sample size: 11.0 k Hands)
    200 NL HU = 43.73 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.98 BB/100 - Sample Size: 191.2 k hands)
    NL 400 HU = 47.57 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.07 BB/100 - Sample Size: 124.7 k hands)
    600 NL HU = 50.53 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.75 BB/100 - Sample Size: 106.3 k hands)
    NL 1000 HU = 54.45 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.49 BB/100 - Sample Size: 115.2 k hands)
    NL 2000 HU = 81.39 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.34 BB/100 - Sample size: 92.9 k Hands)
    5000 NL HU = 84.16 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.14 BB/100 - Sample Size: 109.2 k hands)
  • NL SH
    NL 25 SH = 13:14 VPP/100 (Rake: 4.78 BB/100 - Sample Size: 394.7 k hands)
    NL 50 SH = VPP/100 25.11 (Rake: 4.57 BB/100 - Sample Size: 301.9 k hands)
    NL 100 SH = VPP/100 39.51 (Rake: 3.59 BB/100 - Sample Size: 401.5 k hands)
    NL 200 SH = VPP/100 56.23 (Rake: 2.56 BB/100 - Sample Size: 524.6 k hands)
    NL 400 SH = VPP/100 75.61 (Rake: 1.72 BB/100 - Sample Size: 440.8 k hands)
    NL 600 SH = VPP/100 84.36 (Rake: 1.28 BB/100 - Sample Size: 253.1 k hands)
    NL 1000 SH = VPP/100 87.65 (Rake: 0.80 BB/100 - Sample Size: 358.3 k hands)
    NL 2000 SH = VPP/100 90.34 (Rake: 0.41 BB/100 - Sample Size: 102.9 k hands)
    NL 5000 SH = VPP/100 90.90 (Rake: 0.17 BB/100 - Sample size: 69.0 k Hands)
  • PL FR
    PL = 25 FR 11:32 VPP/100 (Rake: 3.77 BB/100 - Sample Size: 193.5 k hands)
    PL = 50 FR 20:34 VPP/100 (Rake: 3.39 BB/100 - Sample size: 89.0 k Hands)
    PL 100 FR = VPP/100 34.96 (Rake: 2.91 BB/100 - Sample Size: 109.7 k hands)
    PL 200 FR = VPP/100 52.72 (Rake: 2.20 BB/100 - Sample size: 77.8 k Hands)
    PL 400 FR = VPP/100 76.89 (Rake: 1.60 BB/100 - Sample size: 21.2 k Hands)
    PL 600 FR = VPP/100 78.76 (Rake: 1.09 BB/100 - Sample size: 13.1 k Hands)
  • PL Omaha FR
    PL 25 FR = VPP/100 18.72 (Rake: 6.24 BB/100 - Sample size: 99.9 k Hands)
    PL 50 FR = VPP/100 35.48 (Rake: 5.91 BB/100 - Sample Size: 172.1 k hands)
    PL 100 FR = VPP/100 59.87 (Rake: 4.99 BB/100 - Sample Size: 152.7 k hands)
    PL 200 FR = VPP/100 97.84 (Rake: 4.08 BB/100 - Sample size: 62.9 k Hands)
    PL 400 FR = VPP/100 140.52 (Rake: 2.93 BB/100 - Sample size: 8.1 k hands)
    PL 1000 FR = 174.02 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.45 BB/100 - Sample size: 10.8 k Hands)
    PL 2000 FR = VPP/100 176.30 (Rake: 0.73 BB/100 - Sample size: 26.3 k Hands)
    PL 5000 FR = 186.93 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.31 BB/100 - Sample size: 4.3 k hands)
  • PL Omaha HU
    PL 25 HU = 22.94 VPP/100 (Rake: 8.10 BB/100 - Sample size: 9.1 k hands)
    PL 50 HU = 45.12 VPP/100 (Rake: 8.19 BB/100 - Sample Size: 200.9 k hands)
    PL 100 HU = 63.57 VPP/100 (Rake: 5.76 BB/100 - Sample Size: 137.7 k hands)
    PL 200 HU = 79.89 VPP/100 (Rake: 3.61 BB/100 - Sample Size: 130.4 k hands)
    PL 400 HU = 84.56 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.91 BB/100 - Sample size: 68.2 k Hands)
    PL 600 HU = 85.55 VPP/100 (Rake: 1.29 BB/100 - Sample size: 25.9 k Hands)
    PL 1000 HU = 89.92 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.81 BB/100 - Sample size: 41.0 k Hands)
    PL = 2000 HU VPP/100 139.47 (Rake: 0.60 BB/100 - Sample size: 20.8 k Hands)
    5000 PL HU = VPP/100 131.31 (Rake: 0.23 BB/100 - Sample size: 23.7 k Hands)
    PL 20 000 HU = 315.39 VPP/100 (Rake: 0.13 BB/100 - Sample size: 11.1 k Hands)
  • PL Omaha SH
    PL 25 SH = VPP/100 25.96 (Rake: 9.44 BB/100 - Sample Size: 279.5 k hands)
    PL 50 SH = VPP/100 45.97 (Rake: 8.36 BB/100 - Sample Size: 300.5 k hands)
    PL 100 SH = VPP/100 69.43 (Rake: 6.31 BB/100 - Sample Size: 279.5 k hands)
    PL 200 SH = VPP/100 102.66 (Rake: 4.67 BB/100 - Sample Size: 351.6 k hands)
    PL 400 SH = VPP/100 135.88 (Rake: 3.09 BB/100 - Sample Size: 331.5 k hands)
    PL 600 SH = VPP/100 154.08 (Rake: 2.33 BB/100 - Sample Size: 139.5 k hands)
    PL 1000 SH VPP/100 = 157.49 (Rake: 1.43 BB/100 - Sample Size: 136.1 k hands)
    PL 2000 SH VPP/100 = 161.96 (Rake: 0.74 BB/100 - Sample size: 39.8 k Hands)
    PL 5000 SH VPP/100 = 159.60 (Rake: 0.29 BB/100 - Sample size: 43.4 k Hands)
  • Detail table
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Update # 24: at 31.12.09 (values ​​after conversion valid for 2009)

  • NL FR
    FR NL 2 = 1.02 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 5.8 k hands)
    NL 5 FR = 1.89 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 8.3 k hands)
    NL 10 FR = 3.30 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 10.0 k Hands)
    NL 25 FR VPP = 10.62 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 180.5 k hands)
    NL 50 FR VPP = 15.89 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 454.4 k hands)
    NL 100 FR VPP = 26.28 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 402.9 k hands)
    NL 200 FR VPP = 34.65 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 221.1 k hands)
    NL 400 FR VPP = 44.65 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 124.4 k hands)
    NL 600 FR = 48.20 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 56.5 k Hands)
    NL FR 1000 VPP = 53.98 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 24.3 k Hands)
  • NL SH
    NL 2 SH = 0.88 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 70.4 k Hands)
    NL 5 SH = 1.85 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 93.4 k Hands)
    NL 10 SH = 4.02 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 34.9 k Hands)
    NL 25 SH VPP = 10.00 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 18.5 k Hands)
    NL 50 SH VPP = 20.77 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 58.2 k Hands)
    NL 100 SH VPP = 32.59 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 217.6 k hands)
    NL 200 SH VPP = 47.73 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 398.1 k hands)
    NL 400 SH VPP = 58.63 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 218.1 k hands)
    NL 600 SH VPP = 65.80 per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 122.0 k hands)
    NL 1000 SH VPP = 73.32 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 79.5 k Hands)
  • FL FR
    FL 0.50 / 1.00 FR = 18.91 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 39.5 k Hands)
    FL 1.00 / 2.00 FR = 19.80 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 83.8 k Hands)
  • FL SH
    FL 0.10 / 0.20 SH = 4.62 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 6.0 k hands)
    FL 0.25 / 0.50 SH = 9.11 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 23.5 k Hands)
    FL 0.50 / 1.00 SH = 19.58 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 9.2 k hands)
    FL 1 / 2 SH = 38.61 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample Size: 294.8 k hands)
    FL 2 / 4 SH = 50.84 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 25.1 k Hands)
    FL 3 / 6 SH = 75,00 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 5.8 k hands)
    FL 5 / 10 SH VPP = 122.37 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 9.7 k hands)
  • PLO
    PLO 10 SH = 8.77 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 46.0 k Hands)
    25 SH = PLO VPP 22.44 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 18.8 k Hands)
    PLO 50 SH VPP = 35.00 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 3.8 k hands)
    100 SH = PLO VPP 58.97 per 100 hands - (Sample size: 19.3 k Hands)
  • NL HU
    NL 50 HU = 21,00 VPP per 100 hands - (Sample size: 75.0 k Hands)

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CoreySteel
Joined: 25.10.2006

Originally posted by cojonel
Hmm i played some time ago 2\4 fl Hu and definetly u generate more tha 1.53 BB per hundred hands...what is wrong here?it can t be so less...

You are right, that is strange... Maybe it's correct in that xls file that I've included.


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sticky this!

and it will be different for every person, if you're a nit, in general, pots will be a bit smaller than if table was all the same and you were huge lag... since each player is different, the rake will be different. If someone who almost never gets pas the flop the rake could be that small, especially in HU, each individual player makes more of a difference since they're 1/2 of the table instead of 1/6th or 1/9th


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Jaime001254
Joined: 02.07.2008

is there a difference in rake/VPP between shallow/deep, etc...?


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supeyrio
Joined: 11.11.2009

Originally posted by cojonel
Hmm i played some time ago 2\4 fl Hu and definetly u generate more tha 1.53 BB per hundred hands...what is wrong here?it can t be so less...

yes, i noticed that the figures are smaller than the ones i have as well


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Whatever I get is ok, I will still get whatever they are giving nothing more nothing less.


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Originally posted by Jaime001254
is there a difference in rake/VPP between shallow/deep, etc...?

+1


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NIVEKii
Joined: 01.01.2009

Any numbers on 0.25/0.50 FL SH?


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justkyle88
Joined: 07.05.2008

Originally posted by NIVEKii
Any numbers on 0.25/0.50 FL SH?

Limit's Updated :)


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JasiuZ
Joined: 04.04.2009

any updates including data from new soft ?


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sry, can i get help with those abbreviations?

FL, FR, HU, SH etc??


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NIVEKii
Joined: 01.01.2009

Originally posted by IttoOgami
sry, can i get help with those abbreviations?

FL, FR, HU, SH etc??

Hello IttoOgami,

Those terms define what kind of games you play and the number of people that are on your table. FL for instance means Fixed Limit, while FR, HU and SH tell you that is it Full Ring (usually 9 or 10 seat table), where HU means Heads Up (2 seat table). SH stand for shorthanded tables, where there are six seats.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

NIVEKii


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thx so much. How could i not figure that out myself

Thx again!!


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Is it the same for CAP NL50 SH as for NL50 SH?


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Update?


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sorry guys,

unfortunately we no longer have the data to update this list with the coming of the new PokerStars VPP system. this thread will soon be removed as it has lost its usefulness and can actually be quite misleading.

regards,
wendy


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Confirm after 25k hands sample on NL25 SH to be about 15% LOWER when playing ~20/17 TAG.

Will update next month once I have a 100k volume. Busy this month.


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