[Closed] 1/2$ Fr - 99

As some of u may know im running bad atm. This is duo to some bad luck but i have to feeling its also because of my bad river play now that i think of it. Could it really be that those agressive fulltiltpoker players make me fold a better hand on the river alot of times?

What can i do abouth this?

mh my first thought was bet/fold because somehow i put him on 77 or 88 ^^

it´s a difficult question because any situation is different but important points are of course the pot size and the board... if there was a very drawheavy flop and all draws busted till the river a check/call with A high or some small pairs might be good.
important stats are af and wts. against a passive (low af) callingstation (high wts) you should more often play bet/fold with your made hands. they nearly never bluff and give you some value with their bottom pair stuff. so you can make thin value bets and fold pretty safely to a raise.
against more aggressive players it´s better to induce a bluff most of the time (check/call). if you can stand a raise bet/call is possible too of course.

and very important: take notes !
i think over 75% of my notes are about riverplay...

For instance lets say that the villain in this hand was pretty agressive. Total agression factor 3+ could i call this river here?

Wouldnt he raise a K on the flop/turn? So seeing he didnt raise maybe we can like u said frzl put him on a low pp instead of the K. Is this correct thinking?

Do i need to work with Total agression factor or AG factor at river?

mh to be honest i´ve never really used the agression values for single streets at fl
with af 3+ i think it would definately be check/call river... he would have raised at least the turn with a K

Check/call against what? Easy bet/fold even with 3 AF.
But sine you have stats why don't you post them al of him?
AF on each street would be nice as well.

You don't need to work on your stats but on your play. With a correct play the stats will be 'good' as well but not the other way.

Of course stats can tell you if you have leaks but why don't you post them here and we can have a look at them?

mh i don´t like bet/fold against such an aggressive player because i don´t want to get bluffed of the hand.
and if he is that aggressive he will bet nearly everything on the river...

btw: against which hands (which he never raised the whole hand) do you value bet ?

He might call a pocketpair, a 5 or even A-high.
All of these he migh check behind if we check. Aggressive doesn't mean stuipid and maybe his river AF is low.

hm ok ty.
maybe i´m overestimating the af value but wouldn´t he raise all these hands (except A high) somewhere ?

Could be but what else should he have? He would have raised all better hands for sure, there are no draws except 43 (which is a straight by the turn) and check/fold is too weak with 3rd pair.

Ok for both agressive and passive opponents this hand would be a bet/call here?

Dont worry im not trying to change my own stats. But you guys could check it if u can find something intresting witch maybe can help me get out of this downswing. I have the feeling im giving up to much value on the river imo.

Arf i cant add attachments...mom ill upload the jpg somewhere. Edit: I had some trouble exporting the damn thing. I hope u guys can still read it properly.

Picture!

No nt bet/call. Bet/fold is the best play. Against players with a very high RIVER AF you can call the raise.

The stats show that you have 2BB/100 which is very good so I see no downswing at all here.

Your stats are ok but you fold to often if someone shows aggression. You should call more down. 33% Wts should be a good value.

Its bet/fold ofcourse soz i know that.

Actually its -2.03BB/100 cirith. Its strange that this picture is showing it the wrong way. Im $133,75 down atm over 3.292 hands.

3292 hands is just NO sample size
kobeyard (german high limit coach) had a downswing over more than 10k with -4bb/100 or something on limits he crushes (normally)
just stay calm and keep playing + post hands, visit coachings etc... you know what i´m saying, right ? ^^

Ok this sucks. PT marks -2BB as 2BB but written in red.

One reason might be the low wts.

Btw as frzl mentioned 3000 hands isn't much. A dowswing can be over 40k hands and more. (At least I hope that. ;))

Originally posted by ciRith
Btw as frzl mentioned 3000 hands isn't much. A dowswing can be over 40k hands and more. (At least I hope that. ;))

still down at 5/10 ? wtf ?
what bb/100 did you have at 3/6 (hope you don´t mind that i ask) ?

I haven't played 5/10 for a while but I'm still whining about it.

I have a 1,xx BB/100 rate on 3/6$ over 40k hands I guess but I'm improving this rate currently.

Hey ciRith what sites do u usually play at? (3/6 and 5/10 that is)

The limit action at fulltilt just sucks so im looking for some new rooms to play limit (prefer FR but very passive 6max tables are also ok:P)

I have heard that carlos poker was quite ok? Pokerstars is kinda tight...what abouth titan poker?

I don't know Carlos poker and I don't like FTP and Pokerstars.

FTP is too tight and at Stars datamining is forbidden it's tight also an I'm not tracked with ps.com.

I only play on Partypoker and Titanpoker.

But I prefer Partypoker.. one of the fastest softwares, I have nearly no bugs and very bad players.
Titan is nice also but the software is very bad and slow.

I have no idea about FR ad I suggest you to switch to SH as well. (Muh more action and fun.)

I played SH before but i was down after playing 10k hands and did not have the motivation anymore to play SH. I switched over to NL SSS for a few months just when i switched back to FL FR 1.5 month ago.

I am playing SH atm tho. Everestpoker .25/.50. The tables are very soft and the opponents play very baaaaaaaaaaad. Im not sure how much hands i have played there but i have a steady winrate. But thats not that hard to achieve with all those passive guys. Im in a upswing atm tho but my winrate is 10BB/100hands atm. Im sure i can get atleast 6bb/100hands at this limit/site.

To bad its a whole other story at the 1/2+ limits huh?♦ as long as i can find some juicy 1/2 or 2/4 FR tables i will be playing FR for the moment. If i cant find any FR tables anymore im gonna switch back to swingy SH