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[Closed] NL100. Call down w overp KK

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AlexGerasim
Joined: 19.01.2009

19/17/11/18/629, donk 33(6)

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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($102)
BB ($219)
UTG ($41.35)
CO ($133)
Hero ($108)

Dealt to Hero K♦ K♥

UTG calls $1, fold, Hero raises to $4, fold, BB calls $3, UTG calls $3

FLOP ($12.50) 4♠ 8♦ Q♠

BB bets $9.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $9.50

TURN ($31.50) 4♠ 8♦ Q♠ 2♠

BB bets $21, Hero calls $21

RIVER ($73.50) 4♠ 8♦ Q♠ 2♠ 4♥

BB bets $30, Hero calls $30

Now I think there aren't any Qx hand on the river (maybe already on the turn) I was going to fold river but villain gave me so good odds to call


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getdotacom
Joined: 06.04.2008

This sucks, but we have to fold turn IMO with no reads. I think mostly it's flush.


raise/fold flop for protection against FDs. If you get called, I'd probably check turn and c/f river, he's not valuebetting worse anyway.

Also, river looks so much like a valuebet ... It's just never bluff IMO.


ttjjboy
Joined: 31.05.2009

i like raise/fold on flop


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

At first I also thought about raise/folding, but now I'm wondering what his callingrange preflop is.
He only has a gap of 2% between VPIP and PFR so he's generally not calling too much preflop.
So his range should be limited to something like PPs, ATs+, AJo+ and KQs (maybe KQo).

I don't think he'd blufflead, so I exclude 22, 33, 55, 66 and 77 from his range as well as AT, AJ and AK without FD.
Maybe he sometimes does it with some 99-JJ combos, to represent those I put JJ in his range.
So we're up against: JJ+, 88, 44, AQs, KQs, AQo, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs and have 51.3% equity:


Board: 8♦Q♠4♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    48.62%  47.37%   1.26% { JJ+, 88, 44, AQs, KQs, AQo, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs }
MP3    51.38%  50.12%   1.26% { KK }

If we raise he's going to fold the midpairs like JJ, so we have:

Board: 8♦Q♠4♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    55.71%  54.22%   1.49% { QQ+, 88, 44, AQs, KQs, AQo, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs }
MP3    44.29%  42.80%   1.49% { KK }

We're a slight underdog vs this range, but I think since he is likely to 3bet 44, 88 and QQ but none of the other hands, we can play pretty well against his range, especially since we're IP.

As played I think you should call the turnbet because most TAGs will be in b/f mode with all Qx, and against his range we're still doing ok (we're an underdog, but we have the equity to call):

Board: 8♦Q♠4♠ 2♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    56.75%  55.50%   1.24% { QQ+, 88, 44, AQs, KQs, AQo, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs }
MP3    43.25%  42.01%   1.24% { KK }

On the river it's close.
I think he would bet bigger with nutflushes to get max value, so there are sets and TPs left in his range.
Even against a worst case range (without any AQo) we have the equity to call:

Board: 8♦Q♠4♠ 2♠ 4♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    72.97%  70.27%   2.70% { QQ+, 88, 44, AQs, KQs }
MP3    27.03%  24.32%   2.70% { KK }

So imo it's a call, too.