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Pete70
Joined: 14.04.2006

CO 45/18/0.9/43

Hero is Button: Q:h Q:d

10/20 5 handed
Preflop:
UTG Call, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB Folds, UTG calls, CO calls
Flop: 2:h J:s A:h
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero ?

I think, i have to call here with a midpair backdoor flush and straight.
CO is passive but it is possible that he c/r a flush here, and give a freecard on the turn.


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frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

i call this too for 14,5 to 1 (hope i didn´t misscount something)


Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007

It's 15:1, so I don't think you can fold this with middle pair and 2 backdoors.


Originally posted by Yoghi
It's 15:1, so I don't think you can call this with middle pair and 2 backdoors.

Of course he can. Both backdoor are together at least 1 out worth and you ned 15:1 wth 3 outs.


Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007

Typos for the win, guess I'll take a break from making "smart" comments

:(


Pete70
Joined: 14.04.2006

I am not sure about the comments, but i think we all think its a call here?

I had this hand from a coaching video from nrockets, and he said its a clear fold. Thats why i posted this hand.


Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007

Yes, it's like 15.5:1 and you've got 2 outs for your queens and like 1.5 outs for your backdoors which make it a call.


I'm pretty sure that he didn't noticed the big pot.
Can you link the video please?


Pete70
Joined: 14.04.2006

I saw in the discussion to the video, that he also says, that this is a call.


Originally posted by Pete70
I saw in the discussion to the video, that he also says, that this is a call.

Link please. ;)


Pete70
Joined: 14.04.2006
chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

you don't lend any weight to the fact that he can make that play with a flushdraw?


Originally posted by chenny8888
you don't lend any weight to the fact that he can make that play with a flushdraw?

With CO calling our chances to win are too low with the 2nd pair. He is also not very aggressive so he might not bet his flushdraw on the turn again.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Originally posted by ciRith
He is also not very aggressive so he might not bet his flushdraw on the turn again.

doesn't that give more weight to making a call?

but you're right, i didn't see his stats, if he is typically a passive player, he would probably not make this play with just a draw


Actually it's a flopcall. :)


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

kk, gotcha ty