[Closed] Fold to 3bet and/or cap in 5CD

I wish someone would reply to this, as I have the same questions. I expect you're playing higher stakes than me though. At 50c/$1 and 25c/50c most people are so passive that they will call with pairs and only three bet two pair+, and even some will flat with two pair and only 3bet trips+, which makes most hands I raise easy folds, unless I've raised a FD in which case I have the odds to call. Not sure.

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Ummm...If someone 3bet us we're getting about ~1:6 to call (depending on dead money from blinds) so I think it's an easy call with all one paired hands because odds for improving our pair are 1:3 (~25%) and of course with OESD and flushdraw

The real problem are two paired hands. I think that if we open 3322* we can't ever call a 3bet from reasonable guy...we will improve only 8% of the time and at the moment we beat nothing...

3bet and a cap is also hard...if someone is capping only trips+ than we need to muck all 1paired and 2paired hands and even some low trips

I'm not afraid of being exploitable by folding to a 3bet sometimes...
yes, one may think 'lol, this guy fold to a 3b so I will bluff him often' but it's FL structure.
To make his 3bets bluff profitable I need to fold 50%+ of the time and no one is folding so much.
He also will have no room for creativity postdraw. No big sizing, no 3barell bluff, just one big bet which give me great odds to call in 3bet pot.
So that's why I'm not afraid of being bluffed like a bitch when I fold once to a 3bet...:) But I'm new at this game and would love to know some other opinions

Ummm...If someone 3bet us we're getting about ~1:6 to call (depending on dead money from blinds) so I think it's an easy call with all one paired hands because odds for improving our pair are 1:3 (~25%) and of course with OESD and flushdraw The real problem are two paired hands. I think that if we open 3322* we can't ever call a 3bet from reasonable guy...we will improve only 8% of the time and at the moment we beat nothing... sad

Hm, yeah that sounds like a reasonable acting against 3-Bets :).

Originally posted by Systemrock

Ummm...If someone 3bet us we're getting about ~1:6 to call (depending on dead money from blinds) so I think it's an easy call with all one paired hands because odds for improving our pair are 1:3 (~25%) and of course with OESD and flushdraw The real problem are two paired hands. I think that if we open 3322* we can't ever call a 3bet from reasonable guy...we will improve only 8% of the time and at the moment we beat nothing... sad

Hm, yeah that sounds like a reasonable acting against 3-Bets :).

If we can call with one pair hands, we can also call with two pair hands, because we can discard three in each case. I'm not saying this is correct, but it is at least logical.

Hey guys,

Thanks for the answers, great discussion's going on.:)

@jbpatzer: I'm not sure your argument is valid, since the median hand for 2pair+ is KK99x, against which 33xxx has 13.6% equity (that is not enough to call getting 6:1) and obviously huge reverse implied odds. So I definitely don't think any pair should be a call in that situation, maybe the any pair that we openraised is, but I'm not even sure if we raise from MP with AQQxx we can't fold to a 3bet from a really tight 3betor.

@Hurricano: I'm not afraid of being pure bluffed, since the FL structure really doesn't allow it, but if the guy starts 3betting w AA (that we fold 75% equity against, but call with 25% equity - sounds disastrous), and also maybe draws that he wouldn't 3bet otherwise. I'm still not convinced I shouldn't be afraid of being exploited.

Also, the difficult question is that which two pair hands should we fold to a 3bet? And also, which pairs, if my argument above is valid. Since if we fold such a high amount of our hands, we're easy to exploit and to play well against, but if we don't we can get into tricky stuff easily.

So I guess the question is still open (at lease for me).:)