NL2 is so unbeatable :x

The mss charts including the post flop are only guidelines to help get you started, you have to build your game from this point, its not written in stone, try Gerv's coaching on sunday, he takes it to many levels above the shc and post flop charts.

If you know a players range and tendencies then you can exploit him too
If he expects you to always fold then maybe you should push ♦
Watch gerv and see how he takes notes and uses them to his advantage.

Hope this helps

Roo

roopopper, I attended 1 of his MSS coachings once. What can I say - his play differs A LOT from the original MSS beginner charts. And + somehow he manages to find all those fishy tables with loose 42/20 stats (table stats, not 1 opponent stats) in partypoker. All I see in nl2 is 9/5, 12/8, etc. 25/15 table for me is like "OMG WOW FINALLY I FOUND SO LOOSE TABLE, WILL PLAY HERE TILL I FALL ASLEEP ON THE KEYBOARD"

I also see that my redline (hm1) is always higher than the blue one. The blue line doesn't know what to do, so it just does whatever it wants:

But Gerv in the end of his coaching said that MSS profit comes from the blue line and redline is somewhere near zero. Or maybe not, but at least that's what I understood from his words.

Originally posted by slipkn6t
roopopper, I attended 1 of his MSS coachings once. What can I say - his play differs A LOT from the original MSS beginner charts. And + somehow he manages to find all those fishy tables with loose 42/20 stats (table stats, not 1 opponent stats) in partypoker. All I see in nl2 is 9/5, 12/8, etc. 25/15 table for me is like "OMG WOW FINALLY I FOUND SO LOOSE TABLE, WILL PLAY HERE TILL I FALL ASLEEP ON THE KEYBOARD"

I also see that my redline (hm1) is always higher than the blue one. The blue line doesn't know what to do, so it just does whatever it wants:

But Gerv in the end of his coaching said that MSS profit comes from the blue line and redline is somewhere near zero. Or maybe not, but at least that's what I understood from his words.

lol I assure you there are many fishy players at nl2 party (i play there )

Its all plus EV

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.45)
Hero ($0.45)
UTG ($2.43)
UTG+1 ($4.52)
UTG+2 ($0.67)
CO ($1.98)
BTN ($2.17)

Dealt to Hero A♥ K♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.18, SB raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.27 (AI)

FLOP ($0.90) J♠ 7♥ 9♠

TURN ($0.90) J♠ 7♥ 9♠ 2♥

RIVER ($0.90) J♠ 7♥ 9♠ 2♥ Q♠

SB shows J♥ 9♦
(Pre 36%, Flop 94.2%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows A♥ K♣
(Pre 64%, Flop 5.8%, Turn 0.0%)

SB wins $0.86

watching one coaching session? cmon dude!!! try a few more and chat to Gerv ♦

I advise you to just improve your play instead of focusing on blue/red lines

it mostly means you want to force yourself in fixing something in an unorthodox and possible a marginalEV way

- Gerv

After playing 1-6 tables without table selecting I recently switched to only 1-2 tables with very careful table selecting. Only played in position to crazy guys with VPIP 60+. And what do you think was the result?
53 EV bb/100 in avg for all 3 sessions. Yes, fifty three EV big blinds per 100 hands!
Session stats:

Other stats:

And the graph (click the image):

Of course a huge part of the winrate is obviously an upstrick, but anyway I'm so proud ♠_cool:

Originally posted by slipkn6t
After playing 1-6 tables without table selecting I recently switched to only 1-2 tables with very careful table selecting. Only played in position to crazy guys with VPIP 60+. And what do you think was the result?
53 EV bb/100 in avg for all 3 sessions. Yes, fifty three EV big blinds per 100 hands!
Session stats:

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Other stats:

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And the graph (click the image):

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Of course a huge part of the winrate is obviously an upstrick, but anyway I'm so proud ♠_cool:

♦ guess you found those fishes

Here is my graph for mss this month, have not played many hands but ev is going up and up, just wish my winnings would lol

And yet somehow I managed to lose 1/6 of my entire bankroll in the last 4 hours (700 hands)
Played ~4 tables + was completely ignoring the chart + was 3betting 1% PFR guys with AK/QQ Of course they won't fold their AA/KK.
The graph + session stats (click the preview image):

Other stats:

-38 EV bb/100

PS: I see some of of my threads are turning into a blog, so I think "why not start one and blog there?" Some moderator, hi, can you please transfer this topic for me to blogs section? It's here.

yeah blog would be great

+4evbb/100 and -28bb/100
Are you kidding me
Please god make my next session's bb/100 more close to evbb/100

Originally posted by slipkn6t



+4evbb/100 and -28bb/100
Are you kidding me
Please god make my next session's bb/100 more close to evbb/100

lol glad to see your new blog. Dont worry about it, Just make sure your red line dont go down to meet the green line ♦

You can change your blog name by editing the title from the first post you made ♠_cool:

Originally posted by roopopper

Originally posted by slipkn6t



+4evbb/100 and -28bb/100
Are you kidding me
Please god make my next session's bb/100 more close to evbb/100

lol glad to see your new blog. Dont worry about it, Just make sure your red line dont go down to meet the green line ♦

You can change your blog name by editing the title from the first post you made ♠_cool:

♦
yeah, I know, thanks! Going to work on it later. I'm currently sitting in position to a guy with 50VPIP/20PFR

MSSers UNITE!

Hey man just found your blog, definitely need to make a sick title that catches the eyes of the fair maidens of the land.

Will follow your progress, I'm currently finding MSS pretty nice after 3k hands. Going to need to grind it up some more before I get too crazy about it, but good luck! you wanna discuss the finer points of NL2 MSS let me know

GOOD LUCK!

Garet

I LOVE those guys with 90VPIP

You will never guess what he showed at the showdown - pocket fives ♠_love:

Originally posted by slipkn6t
I LOVE those guys with 90VPIP

You will never guess what he showed at the showdown - pocket fives ♠_love:

May it long continue ♦

Just played for 2 hours - 623 hands. Got dealt KK 4 times which is of course more than 2.8 "EV Kings". So can I consider myself lucky in this session? Read on.
1st KK:

Originally posted by slipkn6t
Just played for 2 hours - 623 hands. Got dealt KK 4 times which is of course more than 2.8 "EV Kings". So can I consider myself lucky in this session? Read on.
1st KK:

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Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP2$1.93:///////;MP3$2.06:///////;CO$1.74 (VPIP70/PFR22/3bet7.7):///////;BU (Hero)$0.98:///////;SB$0.38:///////;BB$1.92:///////;[/tg]
Preflop: Hero is BU with K:s, K:h.
MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.36, 3 folds, CO calls $0.24.

Flop: ($0.77) 9:s, 5:h, 8:d (2 players)
CO checks, Hero raises to $0.62(All-In), CO calls $0.62.
Final Pot: $2.01.
...
Hero shows K:s K:h ♠_thumbsup:
CO shows T:h Q:s 2nd KK:

Spoiler

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$0.67:///////;BU$3.58:///////;SB$1.72:///////;BB$0.74 (54/27/0):///////;MP1 (Hero)$0.81:///////;MP2$3.65 (17/13/8.3):///////;MP3$2.01:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:d, K:c.
Hero raises to $0.06, MP2 raises to $0.18, 4 folds, BB calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.81, MP2 raises to $3.65, BB calls $0.56.
Final Pot: $5.21.
...
MP2 shows A:c A:d ♠_biggrin:
BB shows A:h Q:d
Hero shows K:d, K:c 3rd KK:

Spoiler

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]SB$2.25:///////;BB$2.00:///////;UTG1$0.90:///////;UTG2$0.62:///////;MP1$3.23:///////;MP2$1.08 (19/19/0):///////;MP3 (Hero)$1.57:///////;CO$1.05 (67/8/0):///////;BU$5.34:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:d, K:h.
UTG1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.32, CO calls $0.32, 4 folds, MP2 raises to $1.08, Hero raises to $1.57, CO calls $0.73(All-In).
Final Pot: $3.75.
...
MP2 shows A:c A:d ♠_evil:
CO shows Q:d J:c
Hero shows K:d K:h 4th KK:

Spoiler

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$2.10:///////;BU$6.18 (38/4/0):///////;SB (Hero)$1.03:///////;BB$2.23:///////;MP2$2.00:///////;MP3$2.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with K:h, K:s.
3 folds, BU calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, BU raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $1.04, BU calls $0.75.
Final Pot: $2.08.
...
BU shows A:s A:d
Hero shows K:h K:s How am I supposed to play +EV poker when they deal 75% of my kings into Aces?

Probably wont help me saying this...... but the chances of KK running into AA is fairly slim

Another +EV session and 1/20 of the BR is gone