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Massive draw early in a tournament

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MattyGray18
Joined: 22.06.2011

PokerStars Hand #83362985566: Tournament #2012070032, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (20/40) - 2012/07/15 18:44:01 WET [2012/07/15 13:44:01 ET]
Table '2012070032 1289' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: HERO (4584 in chips)
Seat 8: VILLAIN (5000 in chips)

VILLAIN posts: 20
BB posts: 40

Hero Dealt [4d 3d]

UTG: folds
UTG +1: folds
HERO: raises 50 to 90
Folds to BTN
BTN: calls 90
VILLAIN: calls 70
BB: calls 50

POT: 360

FLOP
[9d Ad 4c]

VILLAIN: checks
BB: checks
HERO: bets 240
BTN: folds
VILLAIN: raises 480 to 720
BB: folds

HERO: ??

in a cash game situation i would raise/shove with the amount of fold equity, and equity when called against his range. Should i play it slower because it is a tournament, and not want to risk most/all my chips early?

Grateful for any feedback


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flexifronto
Joined: 07.02.2010

Hi!

I don't like to donk in there. Donking in this kind of situations, is good when the board doesn't fit the range of the original agresor. But with the A on the board, most likely you are gonna be reraised, and since it's the beginning of the tournament and we are deep, you wanna keep pot control. I would play it check/call and reevaluate the turn.


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MattyGray18
Joined: 22.06.2011

hi, i didnt donk, i was the original aggressor. just realised in the first action i didnt change my screen name to hero. do you think it changes with me as the aggressor? as i can rep the ace myself, and am semi-bluffing with my draw.

Personally i felt carrying on with the lead was ok, to try take the pot down right there, don't know what you think?

it was after being raised i didnt know what to do, i felt if i move in he has to fold all but a very tight range, and as he didnt 3-bet me pre flop, i felt ace-king/aces were unlikely. so there was a smaller percentage he had a hand he could continue with, thought he would have to fold A10 AJ in this spot if i move in.

thoughts?


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flexifronto
Joined: 07.02.2010

oh, ok, this changes the situation completely.

So then let's count the odds. You have to put 480 to a pot of 1320, so you get odds of 2.75 to 1, and I don't have the outs calculator but you are around 3 to 1. Although it's a close call, I would either fold, or push all in to put the fold equity by my side.

But still, I would have probably checked the flop so I get a free card or a cheap card if the bu bets. The problem in this hand it's that you are not playing HU, you are playing a multiway pot with 4 other contenders, so you gotta keep pot control all the time so you always got outs to win the hand.


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rhinoneil
Joined: 16.04.2008

I think you need to take into account the fact that Villain has check raised here which shows strength. He is expecting you to lead as the preflop raiser so although I think you can discount 44, he may have something like 99, A9, AK or possibly a better flush draw.

I dont think your draw is "massive" and the problem really is that if you do shove you are only likely to get called by either the nut flush draw or a made hand like trips or 2 pair which have redraw possibilities.

I might be tempted to peel another card but I would say this early I probably jus fold.

That said it does also depend on previous action, was this a starting stack of 5000 or have you and villain been involved in other hands? Has he seen you open then fold to a raise for instance?


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

you're super deep... just call and reevaluate turn... and i would bet flop just like half pot... if somebody raises you can make a cheaper call!
greets


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