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Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50.00/t100.00 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1831570
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MP1: t2840.00 28.40 BBs - VPIP: 47, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 19
MP2: t2200.00 22 BBs - VPIP: 28, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 354
CO: t860.00 8.60 BBs - VPIP: 26, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 2.1, Hands: 118
Hero (BTN): t2070.00 20.70 BBs - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 442556
SB: t1760.00 17.60 BBs - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 24
BB: t1940.00 19.40 BBs - VPIP: 42, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 0.9, Hands: 107
UTG: t3920.00 39.20 BBs - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 2838
UTG+1: t1910.00 19.10 BBs - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.8, Hands: 2693
UTG+2: t2500.00 25 BBs - VPIP: 33, PFR: 7, 3B: 8, AF: 3.1, Hands: 338

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN with Q :spade: A :heart:
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t100, 1 fold, MP2 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 1 fold, BB calls t350, 2 folds

Flop: (t1150) 8 :diamond: 9 :club: 8 :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t689.00, BB calls t689

Turn: (t2528) 2 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets t801.00, Hero folds

vs fish. filtered 96 hands/0.8/44/16

I was wondering if it was ok to make a 'slight' overshove/AI on the flop once he checked since it's a paired board.. though with flush draw & 'reasonable' straight draws ( I mean compared to a 433 board) .. or better as played? .. or any other play


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

Pfff, I hate it when these fishes limp, never fold on a raise and then call lite on cbets. Makes it really tough, especially if both are coming along, which is likely. I'm tempted to push preflop. It's 100% + EV. I am a bit on extreme side and this move will increase the variance, but it's never gonna be a loosing play ITLR. The way the hand is played, I don't mind a shove on the flop. Even if it's a slight of an overshove, the way the hand is played, I am not gonna fold on his turn bet. It makes no sense on this blank + we are super short and folding here sucks.


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Originally posted by kurrkabin

Pfff, I hate it when these fishes limp, never fold on a raise and then call lite on cbets. Makes it really tough, especially if both are coming along, which is likely.

agree.

I'm tempted to push preflop. It's 100% + EV. I am a bit on extreme side and this move will increase the variance, but it's never gonna be a loosing play ITLR. The way the hand is played, I don't mind a shove on the flop.

agree again :).

Even if it's a slight of an overshove, the way the hand is played, I am not gonna fold on his turn bet. It makes no sense on this blank + we are super short and folding here sucks.

Yes, I have to agree with u. I considered those too in-game however I decided to fold due to his AF 0.80 after a reasonable example.. but yeah I guess still a 'clear' call right?


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

On the turn I wouldn't fold tbh. To me it's a clear call if that's what u ask : )


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Originally posted by kurrkabin
On the turn I wouldn't fold tbh. To me it's a clear call if that's what u ask : )

btw I already forgot but how much % should there be in a limped pot before we can move AI preflop? I thought it was 10% but I'm not sure. For example, 7handed t100 we have 2k on the btn. 4 limpers + SB & BB = 550 chips /2k chips = 27.50%..

Thx in advance


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

I don't think there is a strict rule to that. But it depends on several factors- 10% is way too little. Generally if we have to raise and commit ourselves, we can just shove. I usually aim for like 1/5 of my stack to be in the middle. Hand strength also matters, same as opponent tendencies, also our position!

In this particular example there is close to 1/5 of our stack in the middle- we crush both limpers ranges, we are sitting in a late position with only 2 more ppl to possibly get involved in the hand, which makes it very likely we have the best hand. I wouldn't shove if, say, both limpers were utg and utg+1 and I am sitting in mp1.


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RovarTry
Joined: 10.12.2009

Heh, easiest way for me is pot * 6 (I guess if you prefer multiplication rather than dividing :) ). If it's more or near just shove.


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