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$11 BuB SB taking neg edge vs DO

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Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400.00/t800.00 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 1855821
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BTN: t2185.00 2.73 BBs - VPIP: 16, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 2.2, Hands: 626
Hero (SB): t2565.00 3.21 BBs - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.7, Hands: 27582
BB: t10530.00 13.16 BBs - VPIP: 21, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.6, Hands: 52
CO: t4720.00 5.90 BBs - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.5, Hands: 1764

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is SB with 5 :club: 5 :heart:
1 fold, BTN raises to t2160, Hero raises to t2540, 1 fold

btn is known fish. filtered 177 hands/inf/21/14 overall 29% steal (69 hands) of which 33% btn.
BB unknown. filtered 39 hands/0.40/24/0

WIZ Analysis: if I give btn 35% (conservative) PR (22+, Ax+, K5o+, K2s+, QTo+, Q8s+, J9s) with BB overcalling 28% and CALLING BTN 70% I can profitably call 14.90% (44+, A8o+, A5s+, kQo, KTs+).

Now I was just wondering if we had for example 22-33, A2o-A7o, A2s-A4s, KTo-KJo, K8s-K9s would u make a neg. edge call here since BTN is our DO?

The looser BB calls vs btn the tighter we need to call but at the same time the looser his overcalling range the looser we can be (but we should not call more than 25% both ways)

Anyway, I think that this is not a spot to take a neg. edge (or above mentioned hands) since I learned in a video a few ages back this is one of those spots where I should Not 'interrupt' a high % collision between DO btn push and CL BB, agree?

btw one good thing is that we have him covered.


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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Originally posted by DonCorleone369

Anyway, I think that this is not a spot to take a neg. edge (or above mentioned hands) since I learned in a video a few ages back this is one of those spots where I should Not 'interrupt' a high % collision between DO btn push and CL BB, agree?

sounds reasonable to me :)

the question is wether he is really pushing 35%, i wouldnt if i were him, since youre gonna get called by BB almost 100% of the time. Id rather hope that 'you' are gonna push into him from SB (and get called obv) with some crappy hand. Basically i would be tighter on the BU for the same reasons you state above - don't interrupt if theres a big chance of collision between your DO and CL. but then again, you said he's a fish...

btw are the stats filtered for the bubble? if so how come he has a pfr of 14 if he steals 29%? anyway, those stats are pretty tight imo if filtered for bubble, just another argument for puting him on a tighter range than 35% here. unless those are for 4-5 handed or even more, than simply forget what youve just read :)


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Originally posted by wiarygodny

Originally posted by DonCorleone369

btw are the stats filtered for the bubble?

hmm default filters: 10-7, 6-4, 3-2 =)


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

It's great that we have him covered and it would have been 10 times better if he pushed straight away instead of raising as now he has the option of raise/folding leaving in you in an awkward situation flipping for your tournament life. I would def. call if he pushed here. The way it is now- I still call the push. I wouldn't give myself negative edge though. We are not the shortest, there is a high chance BB calls, we have 2 orbits without investing any money in the pot.


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