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madorjan
Joined: 13.11.2009

OPre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 5 :spade: K :club:
Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (7 SB) J :diamond: K :diamond: 7 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) Q :diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?

Hey guys,

Villain is the same as in the last hand, nothing crazy, standard TAG/LAGTAG. I don't have a raising range in 3 bet pots ever hence the call. Question is easy: what do we do here, and what's the plan on the river?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I think that there are three categories of hands in the villains range

1.) Hands with some showdown value.
2.) Hands that he is simply giving up with.
3.) Big hands (essentially A :diamond: x)

I think that the two first categories are pretty big compared to the last one. Betting versus the second category makes little sense. Sure, there are possible hands in the this category that has plenty of outs, especially for a split, but the first category can be pretty huge. Plenty of his "some SD value hands" (like AT - a straight) beat our own SD value.

This calls for putting the ranges in Equilab, and making an EV calculation from there. My hunch is that checking the turn can't be horrible. It may not be the best, but it can't be truly horrible.

If we check the turn, then we don't fold on the river. The option "bet turn" and then go to SD whatsoever seems horrible though (why lose possibly 3 bets). The options bet turn, then either call turn to a raise and fold river to a bet, or bet turn and fold directly to a raise on turn seem to be either or of both of exploitation of the villain or being exploitable ourselves. I don't hate those alternatives though.

Without actually having been to heaven (Equilab), I'd say "check behind on turn, then call a river bet, or make one yourself" is a decent play.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

edit: thought he bet on turn.

check back on turn and see if the river makes him check again in which you check .. simply give up from here.


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

Your oponent has to know that on this turncard you have a made hand which where worst one is like 7x or some pockets which decided to call flop. He knows that most of the hands that you do have at this point will not yet fold. That is Kx,flushes,straights,two pair/set,even Qx will call one more. But also a lot of these hands are not expected to bet here(even weak flushes are better to check) so I would assume his check is rarely c/r but may indeed be c/c when he has two pair, or maybe AK but also huge amount of c/f.

So if you want to exploit that you have to make a balanced range.You need to have hands that will bluff here. Like lower pockets,7x are perfect candidates and I would bluff bet here. I would for sure bet all strong hands (strong flushes T :diamond:+). I would also check behind hands and these fall into two major categories. Hands that will call river (small flushes,there should be quite a few of these) and those that will fold or maybe make a move on some rivers(Qx,Jx seem the best type for this one). Only hands that remain are Kx or some two pair/set hands. with two pair/set I would preffer to bet and then prolly check river since I want to protect against split and also since we are still going to be called by worse hands. Kx I would preffer to check behind and decide on the river. Fact is that you will hardly get any value from a bet but can actually induce a river bluff....so I would check and then check back river


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