NL5 SH Speed KK in BB

Hello,

3bet bigger preflop.

Why cbetting the turn is standard here? What range do you put him on when he calls preflop? What hands are going to continue when you bet?

As played, once he calls the flop, I'd check/fold the turn. Don't really see him calling worse neither folding better.

Best,
Plamen

Would you bet flop or play check and see how action unfolds on flop and turn?

Originally posted by GreenPiece
Would you bet flop or play check and see how action unfolds on flop and turn?

I didn't tell my opinion about the flop intentionally since I wanted the player (and also other members) to think about his preflop/flop range and what might be the best thing to do here.

So having this said, what is your opinion about the flop? Are you going to cbet here? If so, why? If not, why?

Well, let's make some assumptions:
1) if we bet hardly will worse hands call
2) if we bet hardly will better hands fold

So we can't bet neither as a bluff or for value. But what do if we check? Of course we give the opponent possibility to bluff but will we be able to call 3 or even 2 streets? Will the opponent bluff often enough to make this move profitable for us?

To prevent this guessing game and to prevent potential rebluffs we can actually bet ourselves one time and give up if called.

Originally posted by GreenPiece
Well, let's make some assumptions:
1) if we bet hardly will worse hands call
2) if we bet hardly will better hands fold

So we can't bet neither as a bluff or for value. But what do if we check? Of course we give the opponent possibility to bluff but will we be able to call 3 or even 2 streets? Will the opponent bluff often enough to make this move profitable for us?

To prevent this guessing game and to prevent potential rebluffs we can actually bet ourselves one time and give up if called.

Hey again,

As the thread maker doesn't seem to be very active, but you do, lets comment on those assumptions you made.

First of all, I do agree that we can hardly make worse hands to call - usually PPs do tend to call at maximum one street on Axx boards in 3bet pots, but I don't agree we can hardly make better hands to fold - to me we can NEVER make Ax to fold in this spot in a 3bet pot.

The thing that I really wanted to comment on is his preflop range, because we are 140bb deep and we made quite a weak sizing, plus he is IP, so he might be calling a lot. Unfortunately for us, people do tend to call more hands like Ax than T9, so I think his range mostly consists Ax hands and pocket pairs, as well with some SC as well.
So, I do recommend checking here not to let him bluff, but to minimize our loss against Ax. Also, if we do go for a check here, he'd be more inclined to call us with a PP.

I do agree however that the turn game might be a little bit hard, so if we do have enough fold equity on the flop, then I wouldn't really mind going for the flop bet right away.

Originally posted by kymupa
but I don't agree we can hardly make better hands to fold - to me we can NEVER make Ax to fold in this spot in a 3bet pot.

Mayhap my English is not proper... But I meant that hardly = never

Originally posted by kymupa
So, I do recommend checking here not to let him bluff, but to minimize our loss against Ax. Also, if we do go for a check here, he'd be more inclined to call us with a PP.

So if we go check, it's a check\fold flop? He won't bet his PPs vs us, right?
And we it goes check\check, would we bet turn ourselves? If yes, we play check again on the river? Won't our hand be face up for him to make a solid bet to force us to fold in this case?

The good thing for us here is that people to play their hands, not ours, so if it goes check/check on the flop, we can take two streets of value from worse.

If he bets I'd fold there since as I mentioned before, people don't tend to bluff a lot in these spots.

A little addition to the hand, hero should 3-bet bigger pre- he is oop and both players are 140bb deep effectively