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11$; 60/40 6max; bb200, cbet ip with 'nuts'?

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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($2,100)
BB ($3,320)
UTG ($1,740)
UTG+1 ($1,375)
CO ($1,320)
Hero ($2,145)

Dealt to Hero J♦ T♦

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $400, fold, BB calls $200

FLOP ($900) J♠ J♣ 2♥

BB checks, Hero bets $315, BB folds

Hero shows J♦ T♦

Hero wins $900

fishy unknown 36/6/0.8/151

i know i could have prolly shipped it pre, but thats not what i want to analise here

more of a general question - let's assume a following situation:
- we're the preflop aggressor
- we get one caller who is oop
- we flop a very strong hand on a very dry flop (paired, no FDs, no straight draws)

4 different scenarios based on the opponent and the SPR:

1. reg; SPR low enough to get it in on two streets without the need to overbet
2. reg; we can't play for stacks without overbets unless we bet 3 streets
3. fish; low SPR
4. fish; high SPR

whats you flop action?

1. i would cbet small my entire range (including quads) since i im cbetting all my weak hands with no SD value so i think a reg is gonna find it suspicious if i check back (the only hands i think it may make sense to do it with are SD value hands that cannot b/c but can call a turn bet - A high basically). i would most likely check back turn though.

2. flop cbet with the same reasoning. fire turn as well depending on the card i guess. bet if the board allows draws, check if its still dry on the turn.

3. shall i rather check back flop since fish is never gonna read too much into my check, meaning that he wouldnt find it suspicious but more likely will simply treat it as weakness? i guess especially if i dont need 3 streets to get it in checking back should be much better to allow him to catch up on the turn or simply ch/c a wider range there, right?

4. fish will generally call down lighter, i guess we all agree on that so maybe if against a reg im OK with giving up hope to stack him i shouldnt do that against a fish, meaning i should bet/bet/bet even on a dry board? another thing that may make a flop cbet a bit better against a fish is that they are imo more likely to bluff at it (not passive ones ofc) since it looks like a good board to bluff. This fact alone makes it easier to get all the money in by cbetting a dry board, right?

does it all makes sense? am i right to think that we should generally be more inclined to cbet monsters against regs than fishes?

i believe this post is a bit chaotic but i hope you get what i mean :)
cheers!


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

Hi :)

I want to mentioned preflop despite the fact you ignored it. Ship this pre. Especially if you plan on r/f it. It's always gonna be plus EV play.

As for the hand:

-vs regs, you gotta be more balanced than vs fishes. If you c/b this flop vs a bad reg, or a decent reg, or a good reg, it does look very suspicious. So I like a small cbet with my entire range. Just like you did.

-vs a fish, you can play around much more, you can c/b, you can cbet small to induce. Biggest mistake is gonna be to make a big cbet of 1/2 pot or more with this stack sizes as it gives the fish less incentive to bluff(FE reduced).

Vs a reg if deeper- I go bet/bet/bet.

Vs a reg when shorter- I go small cbet.

Vs an aggro fish- I go small cbet/call. Vs a guy like this(when I can get the chips in 2 streets), I like a c/b and give him a free card. Ofc it depends a lot on his cbet fold%, but assuming we don't have a good sample, I will c/b vs 36/6/0.8-agg.f- fish. I think we get way too many c/folds on the flop.


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