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tatartom
Joined: 03.11.2010

Pacific, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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CO: $394 (394 bb)
BTN: $45 (45 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
BB: $58.50 (58.5 bb)
UTG+1: $115.21 (115.2 bb)
UTG+2: $142.62 (142.6 bb)
MP1: $100 (100 bb)
MP2: $26.87 (26.9 bb)
MP3: $209.53 (209.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, MP1 raises to $3.50, 4 folds, Hero raises to $11, BB folds, MP1 calls $7.50

Flop: ($23) 8 9 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, MP1 calls $15

Turn: ($53) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $74 and is all-in, MP1 calls $74 and is all-in

River: ($201) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$201 pot ($4 rake)
Final Board: 8 9 7 3 4
Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$100 net)
MP1 showed Q A and won $197 ($97 net)


In 3bet pot he has 22% so far.
Hey I did 3b for value from AQ, TT-JJ, maybe AJs or KQ, 99, and he might call with AK also.
On flop I should probably bet a little bit bigger since he is most likely folding A high anyway and continue with FD and pairs no matter if I bet 15 or 18.
On turn I shove for value from same hands as on the flop, but Im not sure about it.
If he folds JJ and TT without diamond then I dont have enough equity to bet for value, so maybe It should be x/f cause he would probably xb with JJ-TT and only bet with nuts? And then shove on safe River?

What do you do here with Adxx, 1/2 pot cb on flop should be ok, but would you bet as a bluff on diamond Turns and shove river hoping he will fold everything but nutses?


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Hey,

3b pre is fine. On this flop, cbetting is very thin but still somewhat reasonable. I think given how little (51%) he bets IP vs missed cbet, I would prefer just c/folding right on the flop.

As played on the flop, I'm happy to just c/fold now. Shoving for value is very optimistic - villain can show up with slowplayed KK+ here, some flushes, sets and the hands that are likely to call you that are worse (TT/JJ) almost always have a diamond in them if those call the turn on top of the straight draw. And honestly, I'm pretty happy just folding JJd on the turn in MP's shoes.

With AdKx, I would often just c/fold the flop. Had I cbet it, I would shove this turn and pray that villain folds JJ/TT/QQ.


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tatartom
Joined: 03.11.2010

Hey, could you explain why 3bet is okay if we cant go on on the flop with an overpair?
Whats the worst hand that you would bet F, shove T here? KdKx?
Why cb is not okay with some equity? Isnt he folding a lot of Ahigh hands here?

thanks.


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

I just think that this flop hits villain's 3bet-calling range so hard that we have to be c/folding here quite a lot. I probably check here with most if not all of my range, but betting the flop with KKd/AAd with the plan of shoving this turn, seems alright.

The fact that we end up getting a flop that hits villain's range better than ours, isn't really an argument against 3betting preflop, since we can't know what type of a texture we're getting - hence it's called PRE-flop :heart: _biggrin: :f_biggrin:

In all seriousness, I don't absolutely hate a bet/fold on the flop with QQ here but on this turn, I see no other play besides c/folding.


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