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Kuschelbaer
Joined: 08.04.2006

Hi,

it's a classic situation: We're playing no-limit 6-max and villain defends his big blind aggressively against open raises from the small blind - in this case he calls 35% and 3-bets 18%.

Should we 4-bet 88 in this spot?

With the aid of the Funnel Principle and by considering the right things at showdown you can narrow his 3-bet range down as follows:

red = 3-bet / all-in

green = 3-bet / call 4-bet

blue = 3-bet / fold

yellow = You do not know exactly if and with which range villain is capable of bluff shoving.

What do you consider the EV of a 4-bet with 88 to be in the following scenarios?

1) Villain shoves only TT+, AK

2) Villain additionally shoves 55-44

3) Villain shoves all pairs

Here is my quick calculation:

Results:

A)

4b/call = 0bb

4b/fold = 3.3bb

B)

4b/call = 2.5bb

4b/fold = 1.8bb

C)

4b/call = 5.3bb

4b/fold = 0.29bb

EV - Approximation 4-Bet with 88

Villains - Range- TT+,55-2,AJs+,KJs+,K2s,QJs,Q2s,JTs,J3s-J2s,T4s-T2s,94s-92s,84s-83s,74s-73s,64s-63s,53s+,42s+,AQo+,A4o-A2o,KQo

(#234)

Assumptions:

Betting Sequence: 3 - 9 - 21

Villain 3-Bet / Call 4-Bet

Range = AQs-AJs,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo,KQo

(#48)

Equity(88 vs Call-Range) = 0.53

You're not going to realise your entire equity because you're going to often be made to fold the best hand. So we need to discount our equity, using the Equity Realisation Faktor

Equity Realisation Faktor in 4-bet pot (KTU) = 0.75

Equity Realisation Faktor in 4-bet pot (lnternet) = 1 (* I personally feel this would be too optimistic *)

In[17]:=
evcall N[ 48 / 234 * (0.53 * 0.75 * 42 - 18)]
Out[17]=
-0.267692
Case:
Villain only shoves TT+,AK
In[36]:=
villainnobluffrange = 46;
equityvsvillainnobluffrange = 0.31;
wskvillainfold = N[(234 - 46 - 48) / 234];
wskvillainallinnobluff = 46 /234;
ev4betcall = wskvillainfold * 12 + evcall + wskvillainallinnobluff(0.31 * 200 - 97)
Out[40]=
0.031453
In[41]:=
ev4betfold wskvillainfold * 12 + evcall + wskvillainallinnobluff(-18)
Out[41]=
3.37333
Case:
Villain shoved TT+,55-44,AKs,AKo
In[65]:=
villainfewbluffsrange = 58;
equityvsvillainfewbluffs = 0.41;
wskvillainfoldfewb1uffs = N[ (234 - 58 - 48)/234];
ev4betcallfewbluffs =
wskvillainfoldfewbluffs * 12 + 58 / 234 * (equityvsvillainfewbluffs * 200 - 97) + evcall
Out[68]=
2.57846
In[58]:=
ev4betfoldfewbluffs = wskvillainfoldfewbluffs * 12 + 58 / 234 * (-18) + evcall
Out[58]=
1.83487
Case:
Villain shoved TT+,55-22,AKs,AKo
In[73]:=
villainbluffrange = 70;
equityvsvillainbluffrange = 0.48;
wskvillainfoldb1uffs = N[(234 - 70 - 48) / 234];
ev4betcallvillainbluffs =
wskvillainfoldbluffs * 12 + evcall + 70 / 234 * (equityvsvillainbluffrange * 200 - 97)
Out[76]=
5.38188
In[77]:=
ev4betfoldbluffs = wskvillainfoldbluffs * 12 + evcall + 70 / 234 * (-18)
Out[77]=
0.29641

And this is an illustration of the whole scenario:


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