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KK 3way turn?

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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 127.32 BB
SB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 24.16, PFR: 20.09, 3Bet Preflop: 12.37, Hands: 680)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.91, PFR: 13.13, 3Bet Preflop: 3.44, Hands: 1,310)
UTG: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 15.04, PFR: 11.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 274)
MP: 1001.77 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 33)
CO: 185.51 BB (VPIP: 12.28, PFR: 7.02, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♥

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 8♣ Q♥ 3♦
BB checks, UTG bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB, BB calls 7 BB

Turn: (30.5 BB, 3 players) 9♦
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 15 BB, BB calls 15 BB, UTG calls 15 BB

River: (75.5 BB, 3 players) 9♣
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

BB shows 8♠ 8♦ (Full House, Eights full of Nines) (Pre 17%, Flop 84%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks K♦ K♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Nines) (Pre 66%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
UTG mucks Q♣ T♣ (Two Pair, Queens and Nines) (Pre 16%, Flop 7%, Turn 10%)
BB wins 72.7 BB

Is it ok to bet turn for free showdown? I dont think they call with weaker one more time, and I think that BB has most of the time slowplayed set (people sqeeze AQ, KQ) so maybe I could even give up when he calls (it sounds so weak but I dont see what do I beat)


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Mlatasrb,

Preflop slowplay vs UTG is fine, especially if opponent folds a lot to 3bets. Standard option is just to raise it up preflop of course.

Turn flat is fine on this texture. On a drawier texture would raise here.

I'm definitely betting turn. I think letting two guys freeroll a river is a huge mistake. If you think it's hard to get called by many worse hands then just pick a really small bet-sizing.

So long as your turn sizing is nice and small you can probably also bet the river small for value from worse Qx. I would not necessarily weight the BB's range toward sets when he plays like this.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

What do you think BB's calling range preflop is? I think it consists of PP mostly, and maybe some suited connectors (89s, 9Ts got there), and from Qx I think it is maybe only AQs (since I expect him to sqeeze) and KQo is too bad to call 3way, maybe KQs (but I block with my KK).
BB seems to be very tight.
Considering that UTG calls turn, it seems that he also has slowplayed nuts (even AA) or Qx, so it is unlikely that they both have Qx.

Maybe I am putting them on too strong range, but in zoom people really have just nuts 3way :)


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

BB's range PP + SC's + suited one-gappers. I think hands like QTs and QJs are in BB's range here. Admittedly it's very hard for him to call river with these hands though.

UTG could potentially hold a stronger Qx though and pay off a value bet.

Having said that value is still really thin because some of BBs range is TJ,9T,J9
all of which get there by river.

River value is probably slightly too thin therefore and I think river check is fine. I would generally only ever consider a river value-bet in conjunction with a smaller turn bet, but either way it'll be thin.


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