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NL25 SH ZOOM AKo bvb deep

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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

BTN: $53.99 (216 bb)
Hero (SB): $42.51 (170 bb)
BB: $46.45 (185.8 bb) Unknown.
UTG: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $25.25 (101 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♥ K♦
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $3.50, BB raises to $46.45 and is all-in, Hero calls

Flop: ($85.02) 5♠ K♥ 4♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($85.02) 2♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($85.02) J♠ (2 players, 2 are all-in)

First of all I don't like this call at all, but at that moment I somehow thought he's not shoving his AA, KK being this deep (46$ onto my JUST 3.5$), so I made the call ... :facepalm: But that's not the point ! What is MORE interesting to me, is these scenarios:
1) He 5bets say to like $8.5 or smaller. Do we call being OOP ? Do we fold ?? ?(
2) Say he does 5bet and we call. What do we do then, hitting THIS flop ?? So DRY, and we have TPTK ... Although it is 5betpot already ... We check, and he starts barreling ... What's the plan ?? x/c all the way ? BUT is he barreling worse ?? I don't think so ... But if we called preflop, what did we expect to hit anyway ?? If we do not like THIS board, are there ANY boards at all we DO LIKE ?? I mean yeah, what's our general game plan in these kind of spots ?


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey wicKeD,

It's generally fine just to flat 3bet here and use our postflop edge against the fish to make money.

Small 4bet is ok so long as he flats wide. We can't stack here, so it has to be a 4bet/fold if he jams, and possibly a flat-call vs 5bet if he makes it sufficiently small, although in practice it might just be easier to fold to any 5bet, especially at these limits where it's so often AA/KK. If we 4bet we are basically just hoping he flats.


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Originally posted by w34z3l
possibly a flat-call vs 5bet if he makes it sufficiently small

so you didn't answer my 2nd question ... ;) He makes a small 5bet, we call, and the flop comes like this one, very dry, TPTK for us, and what is the game plan then ? x/c flop, and x/f on brick turn ?? x/c both, and x/f river ?? assuming he IS barreling ...

Originally posted by w34z3l
It's generally fine just to flat 3bet here and use our postflop edge against the fish to make money.

Because the same question goes here as well ... Say we didn't 4bet, just called OOP, and the board goes as DRY as this one. Do we x/call 3barrel ?? Or fold at some point ? ...


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Theoretically we should not be fold, we should be calling down.

However that's just theoretical, assuming villain has a balanced 5bet range. In practice he probably just 5bets AA/KK, maybe even just AA. So there is no point calling 5bet in the first place.

Assuming he actually had any 5bet bluffs in his range we'd just look to call down with TPTK because the postflop SPR is too low for us to fold.

If we just flat his 3bet and hit TPTK we are calling flop + turn and potentially making an exploitative fold on river since opponents don't generally 3barrel wide enough.


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wlcKeD
Joined: 24.02.2009

Yeah that's what I think so too ... NOW :facepalm: Thanks !


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