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NL10 fr QQ shove river for value?

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martinemem
Joined: 05.07.2011

PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 164.9 BB
BB: 253.9 BB (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 13.58, 3Bet Preflop: 5.25, Hands: 4,010)
UTG: 85 BB
UTG+1: 92.4 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 42)
MP: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 9.30, PFR: 2.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 88)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.84, PFR: 7.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.20, Hands: 252)
CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 73.33, PFR: 46.67, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 15)
BTN: 48.1 BB (VPIP: 13.21, PFR: 10.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.05, Hands: 2,425)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts penalty blind 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, UTG calls 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (28 BB, 3 players) 9♥ 7♥ K♦
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: (28 BB, 3 players) 4♥
Hero checks, UTG bets 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (40 BB, 2 players) Q♠
Hero checks, UTG bets 19.9 BB, Hero calls 19.9 BB

Spoiler

UTG shows K♣ 2♣ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 30%, Flop 85%, Turn 75%)
Hero shows Q♣ Q♥ (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 70%, Flop 15%, Turn 25%)
Hero wins 76.2 BB

So no info, and im not sure whether i can shove here, or i should just call?


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Martinemem,

Preflop raise for value is fine.

Flop check is ok here. Given that we are multiway and the texture is drawy there is nothing overly wrong with putting out a very small bet for protection/thin-value.

We should definitely be leading the turn after flop gets checked back. 13bb is fine.

River is close, we may have a small raise for value here. Calling is not bad though, however we should have been playing the hand differently from the turn.


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martinemem
Joined: 05.07.2011

So if i lead turn as i agree 100% i should, and i get get called. And turn is like a Td or smth, and i bet for thin value, and i get instant minraised. Can i then fold if i bet 2/5 pot on the river, and he min raises?

If i bet bigger like 2/3 pot on river, and he shoves, its kinda clear ofc, but i guess im avoiding a little too much the spots here where there could be a little value, since i've seen 200 times ppl minraise small bets.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by martinemem
So if i lead turn as i agree 100% i should, and i get get called. And turn is like a Td or smth, and i bet for thin value, and i get instant minraised. Can i then fold if i bet 2/5 pot on the river, and he min raises?

If i bet bigger like 2/3 pot on river, and he shoves, its kinda clear ofc, but i guess im avoiding a little too much the spots here where there could be a little value, since i've seen 200 times ppl minraise small bets.

It'll be close whether we can get away from our hand after betting the river. The reason is that if we bet the turn ourselves we make it a little larger hence there will be little more than 1PSB left on river.

We can just about fold though, I wouldn't worry about smaller bets inducing raises. It generally doesn't happen as frequently as many people think. We can also play our flushes the same way and snap when we get raised.


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