11$ QTs

if u bet that turn imo u got to bat any river so decision is on turn actually ether u r going to bet bet line or ch/ give up

Hi,

He is likely going to fold Kx, but I think he would also often fold Kx to your turn bet unless he also has there flushdraw+ sometimes players would float you on AQ/AJ on the flop.
3-barreling generally should be fine, since you have so many flushes, tp or better hands which you all going to bet 3 streets for value, so adding some bluff combos seems fine.

best regards,

Hi all,

This is a good 3 barrel. Like you say, he is probably calling most Kx on the turn expecting us to shut down river, and if not he is definitely calling all the diamond + Kx combinations. So he reaches the river with Kx and some other pair + fd combinations as well as some rare flushes, and calls the river with the flushes only.

So based on your answer I can do that on the same runout basically almost every time?

Like here on FT:

PokerStars - $8+$0.80|1000/2000 Ante 250 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 88,664 (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 7.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)
Hero (UTG): 122,356
MP: 91,021 (VPIP: 23.96, PFR: 13.54, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 99)
CO: 159,401 (VPIP: 28.85, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 53)
BTN: 106,593 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.34, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 63)
SB: 73,544 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 99)

6 players post ante of 250, SB posts SB 1,000, BB posts BB 2,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,500) Hero has J♥ 8♥

Hero raises to 4,580, fold, CO calls 4,580, fold, fold, BB calls 2,580

Flop: (16,240, 3 players) K♦ 3♥ 7♦
BB checks, Hero bets 7,115, CO calls 7,115, fold

Turn: (30,470, 2 players) A♦
Hero bets 13,559, CO calls 13,559

River: (57,588, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 25,119, CO calls 25,119

Originally posted by AceSteph
So based on your answer I can do that on the same runout basically almost every time?

Like here on FT:

PokerStars - $8+$0.80|1000/2000 Ante 250 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 88,664 (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 7.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)
Hero (UTG): 122,356
MP: 91,021 (VPIP: 23.96, PFR: 13.54, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 99)
CO: 159,401 (VPIP: 28.85, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 53)
BTN: 106,593 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.34, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 63)
SB: 73,544 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 99)

6 players post ante of 250, SB posts SB 1,000, BB posts BB 2,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,500) Hero has J♥ 8♥

Hero raises to 4,580, fold, CO calls 4,580, fold, fold, BB calls 2,580

Flop: (16,240, 3 players) K♦ 3♥ 7♦
BB checks, Hero bets 7,115, CO calls 7,115, fold

Turn: (30,470, 2 players) A♦
Hero bets 13,559, CO calls 13,559

River: (57,588, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 25,119, CO calls 25,119

Spoiler

Hero shows J♥ 8♥ (High Card, Ace) (Pre 52%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
CO shows 3♣ 3♠ (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 48%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
CO wins 107,826

there is a difference(big imo) in this two hands

here CO calls u pre u r UTG (MP cos is 6max first hand is COvs BTN) + he calls on flop with player still to act behind(while first hand u r HU) so i think his range should be stronger -> he dont have a lot of floats there imo second here is 6max + FT so i dont expect him to call u light on flop and on that turn maybe smth like KxQd/KxJd and i dont think is folding that to that smalish bet on river so i just bet bigger on turn like 17k and then bomb river or give up
+ here the only draw is flush draw and on the first hand there was flush and str8 draw on flop and on river str8 draw (87) got there too
also ur sizing on first hand is bigger

so generally speaking i find this hand to be more on spew side cos is FT, villains ranges r tighter, SPR and bet sizing imo allowing him to call of lightish on river it was unlycky that u run into top of villain range here bu it woudnt be surprised if he look u up vs that sizing with KxQd,KxJd

so as played i probably bet bigish on turn to try and make him fold PP/KX withouth and evaluate(timing and stuff) probbaly give up on river cos this bluff will cost me too much if i bomb river and got looked up

Hi all,

I bet bigger on the river in the second hand, you really NEED him to fold out his Kx combinations. I like tripling as a rule here, so I think it's not spew

I would give up second hand.
Since it is 3-way pot players would not float you so light and I think he has there often flushes. Also at final table players play a lot tighter so once he called you on the turn he would likely not going to fold too often on the river.

best regards,

since you don't have that many hands ( only 23 )on him it looks a bit overplayed to me. But then again I'm probably a nit and hardly ever try a 3 barrel bluff:p.

Could you explain a bit more why this is a good spot to try a 3 barrel bluff even with so little information?

Originally posted by sirilidion
Could you explain a bit more why this is a good spot to try a 3 barrel bluff even with so little information?

The reason is his percieved flop call range. Villain usually calls with Kx, Adxd, smaller FD-s and 2nd pairs.

He usually folds AQ,AJ,AT kinda hands. And sometimes raises sets.

On the turn he folds every second pair without a fd, and most Kx, without a FD. He cannot have Adxd and no other Ax, since it folds usually on the flop.

So on the river we can make fold every second or lower pair, that called before and had a FD. He won't have Ax. So the only hands that can call us is smaller flushes and some sets (but some of them will raise us earlier so his river call range will be pretty narrow).

Hi all,

Perfect answer. In the second hand I would hazard he had the lower flush, and it's really just unlucky he had that ;).