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TheRebuz
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20.02.2014, 20:58

i dindnt 3bet pre cos guy in bb is agro reg ( gosuoposum1) so i was expecting him to shove wideish here
villain is unknown 1 tabling

PokerStars - $100+$9|100/200 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 4,195 (VPIP: 13.21, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)
Hero (SB): 8,402
BB: 3,999 (VPIP: 30.16, PFR: 23.31, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 1,111)
UTG: 2,344 (VPIP: 14.59, PFR: 11.89, 3Bet Preflop: 3.19, Hands: 235)
UTG+1: 2,912 (VPIP: 10.26, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
UTG+2: 3,260 (VPIP: 17.13, PFR: 12.99, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 183)
MP: 3,798 (VPIP: 15.54, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 149)
MP+1: 12,519 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 4,676 (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 16.47, 3Bet Preflop: 6.88, Hands: 632)

9 players post ante of 25, Hero posts SB 100, BB posts BB 200

Pre Flop: (pot: 525) Hero has J♥ A♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 400, fold, fold, Hero calls 300, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,425, 3 players) 6♣ 8♥ A♣
Hero checks, BB checks, MP+1 bets 600, Hero calls 600, fold

Turn: (2,625, 2 players) A♦
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 2,600, Hero calls 2,600

River: (7,825, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 4,400,Hero??

thoughts for flop/turn?


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Havlisak
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20.02.2014, 21:49

I like pre and F, and I just c/f turn. I mean, your hand really looks like Ax and it does not make a lot of sense for him to try to bluff us out of it.
I think decision needs to be made on the turn, calldown or just fold. Vs this sizing, i just fold


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TheRebuz
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21.02.2014, 01:23

Originally posted by Havlisak
I like pre and F, and I just c/f turn. I mean, your hand really looks like Ax and it does not make a lot of sense for him to try to bluff us out of it.
I think decision needs to be made on the turn, calldown or just fold. Vs this sizing, i just fold

our hand looks a lot like Ax after we call turn, it doesnt look like AX on flop imo


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21.02.2014, 09:08

Hi,

I don´t see any reason why fish (42/0 after 7 hands) should bet 600 on the flop with AQ/AK or better to then pot it on the turn.
Most likely he has there draw, so seems standard calldown
if you don´t see him taking that line with draws then likely you should just fold turn.

best regards,


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21.02.2014, 10:43

Hi all,

Combinatorically there's just too many draws and too few hands that beat us. Check/call down seems reasonable even if this is a spot (including sizing) where fish bluff rarely.


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21.02.2014, 12:41

@ kaitz & chenny u thik unknown villain has more draws in his range then AQ+/boats combos with that sizing?


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21.02.2014, 18:48

Originally posted by TheRebuz
@ kaitz & chenny u thik unknown villain has more draws in his range then AQ+/boats combos with that sizing?

it's probably more weighted towards AQ and draws than AK or boats.


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21.02.2014, 20:36

Originally posted by chenny8888

Originally posted by TheRebuz
@ kaitz & chenny u thik unknown villain has more draws in his range then AQ+/boats combos with that sizing?

it's probably more weighted towards AQ and draws than AK or boats.

hmm istn AQ=AK in this spot from his perspective? shouldnt we expect him to play them the same?

u think as played that he has more AQ draws combos then A8/A6/88/66/AK combos?


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24.02.2014, 12:33

I don't think it's the same from his perspective, though it should be. Anyway I don't expect boats to pot turn too often.


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24.02.2014, 18:16

Originally posted by chenny8888
I don't think it's the same from his perspective, though it should be. Anyway I don't expect boats to pot turn too often.

hmmm yea i agree on that cos its not like he has to protect his hand from smth but i think randoms/unknows r more likely to bet big with strong hands then draws, dont u think that is true?
imo his range is like Ax and boats(he has overplayed AX too imo) and very small% air/draws

we should be good like how much is that 25% to make break evenish call of on river? i dont think that AJ as hand is played will be good there 1/4 of the time tbh


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25.02.2014, 08:39

Hi all,

We need to be good 26.4% and I think we're good probably 40% of the time here.


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25.02.2014, 14:37

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

We need to be good 26.4% and I think we're good probably 40% of the time here.

hmmm its our tournament life btw

i have real trouble with this hand can u please give me range u r putting villain on as played for turn and river?


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27.02.2014, 11:48

I don't have pokerstove, here's a pessimistic estimation of his range, with all his boats in there, and not many flushdraws:

board: ac 6c 8h ad 9d
9s7s,9c7c,9h7h,7s5s,7c5c,7h5h,7d5d,kcqc,kcjc,qcjc,ak,aq,88,66 75.00%
as jh 25.00%

And here's a more realistic one:

9s7s,9c7c,9h7h,7s5s,7c5c,7h5h,7d5d,kcqc,kcjc,qcjc,kctc,qctc,jctc,ak,aq 57.14%
as jh 42.86%


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27.02.2014, 14:45

Originally posted by chenny8888
I don't have pokerstove, here's a pessimistic estimation of his range, with all his boats in there, and not many flushdraws:

board: ac 6c 8h ad 9d
9s7s,9c7c,9h7h,7s5s,7c5c,7h5h,7d5d,kcqc,kcjc,qcjc,ak,aq,88,66 75.00%
as jh 25.00%

And here's a more realistic one:

9s7s,9c7c,9h7h,7s5s,7c5c,7h5h,7d5d,kcqc,kcjc,qcjc,kctc,qctc,jctc,ak,aq 57.14%
as jh 42.86%

Why u think he only has aq/ak in his range? I think he has all Ax combos


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28.02.2014, 07:24

So with the second equity calculation we clearly have the equity to call. So if he has worse for value ever, then we have to call river, even without including other Ax combinations. I don't think Ax boat combos bet so big.


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04.03.2014, 04:46

3bet pre

hoping bb sqzes so we can call off with AJ (which lets face it isn't going to exactly crush his range) is not a reason for not doing so, esp when OR is a fish.

just calldown


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05.03.2014, 18:40

I think pre's fine given that this is a hand that plays pretty well without the initiative anyway. I think KQo or something similar and your argument becomes a lot stronger.


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