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NL100 nuts on draw board

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RiSh421
Joined: 05.10.2013

Hi,

I have a poker fundamental question: What should i do with the nuts on a flush draw board like this? Here, the result is quiet independant from the question, as the question is the same, villain bluffing/drawing or not.

The question extends to tournaments and every draw board, from the nuts point of view or the drawing of view. I suffered from those hands recently and tends to question myself about them, now.

1)Can i protect my nuts/top hands with my whole CG stack or tournament life, or is this EV- for you ?

2)So , from the other point of view, is that worth pressuring villain by shoving with 8 + outer draw, vs supposed top hand ?

I would appreciate every discussion on that point at the moment. Thank you.

Typical hand

partypoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Treizee (UTG+1): $126.51
poker-raph (MP): $129.84
CPch0n (CO): $122.43
BCE KPACuBO (BTN): $134.53
BetOnIt2 (SB): $37.80
FloppyKitty (BB): $101.50
Gibraltar102 (UTG): $87.54

BetOnIt2 posts SB $0.50, FloppyKitty posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) poker-raph has Q♥ Q♦

fold, fold, poker-raph raises to $3.00, fold, BCE KPACuBO calls $3.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($7.50, 2 players) Q♣ T♦ 8♣
poker-raph bets $5.00, BCE KPACuBO raises to $18.00, poker-raph raises to $126.84 and is all-in, BCE KPACuBO calls $108.84

Spoiler

Turn: ($261.18, 2 players) 7♣

River: ($261.18, 2 players) A♥

BCE KPACuBO shows T♥ T♠ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)
poker-raph shows Q♥ Q♦ (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)
poker-raph wins $258.18


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Hey,

I read your post a couple times but didn't really understand what you want to discuss here. I'll just answer the questions you asked and you can ask more if something is unclear.

1)Can i protect my nuts/top hands with my whole CG stack or tournament life, or is this EV- for you ?

2)So , from the other point of view, is that worth pressuring villain by shoving with 8 + outer draw, vs supposed top hand ?

1) If you have the nuts, the most important question you should be asking is "how do i maximize the value with this hand". If you think villain is likely going to stack off on the flop after raising your cbet, and you have the nuts, the decision is pretty obvious.

2) Villain will need more than 8 outs against the stack off range in this hand to call your push profitably.


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RiSh421
Joined: 05.10.2013

Thank you for answering.

When i wrote it, I was still hot from bad swing, due to some hazardous question to myself about flip coins, and situations like this hand (which is a lucky hand for me unlike others), because i lost two much money to those hands recently....

1) I have the nuts but villain is on a draw. So, globaly (this hand and the whole pack of flush/straight hands), he has 8 to 15 outs (maybe more but let's keep those situations out), so 32% to 60% on the flop. When it is obvious that i should fold to villain drawing on straight+flush draw, i don't know what i should do otherwhile. My nuts hands is cool, but, am i ready to risk a Buy-in (or my tournament life) for it ? That's my question. Should i pick more sure spots?

2) Inversely, when i am the one drawing, do you think i should push oftenly when drawing or only if 15+ outing, as said in poker litterature.

My question might seem too simple for you, but i ask for thoughts from others players.


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