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JJ on BB vs CO open 45BB deep

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julito23
Joined: 24.08.2011

Full Tilt - |100/200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 44.71 BB (VPIP: 24.17, PFR: 17.80, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 120)
MP+1: 91.23 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 43.84 BB (VPIP: 17.41, PFR: 16.39, 3Bet Preflop: 8.26, Hands: 249)
BTN: 20.72 BB (VPIP: 21.40, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 9.23, Hands: 447)
SB: 25.92 BB (VPIP: 22.48, PFR: 15.89, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 391)
Hero (BB): 53.13 BB
UTG: 38.58 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 11.34, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 255)
UTG+1: 33 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 34)
UTG+2: 15.9 BB (VPIP: 22.33, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 217)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has J♣ J♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5.6 BB, CO raises to 12.28 BB, Hero raises to 53.03 BB and is all-in, CO calls 31.46 BB and is all-in

Flop: (88.87 BB, 2 players) 6♠ 6♣ 5♥

Turn: (88.87 BB, 2 players) 5♠

River: (88.87 BB, 2 players) 9♣

Villain is a decent reg.

I think JJ is too good to flat CO vs BB, so I 3bet. I like his 4bet sizing, it's quite big and at the same time leaves himself some room to fold in case he is bluffing.

When he 4bets..... I think a fold is too weak and flatting JJ OOP in a 4bet pot does not seem to be a great idea when villain has a bit over a potsize bet left.

Therefore I just shoved. Are we ever getting away here with 44BB effective CO vs BB? After I shove I am only getting called by better, maybe 99, TT, AQ if he thinks I am crazy, but I think he would call the 3bet with those hands IP. I just can't help myself but to think that my line is somewhat spewy.


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Hi,

His 4-bet size looks like QQ+ or 4-bet bluff.
I think shove is fine against aggressive opponent. If you were against nit you may consider 3-bet folding, but since most players are 4-bet/calling that spot AK then I would personally just shove JJ.

You have played against him 249 hands, so likely you can only say how likely is if he is 4-bet bluffing.
I don´t think that he would take 99/TT that line unless youre very 3-bet happy

best regards,


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julito23
Joined: 24.08.2011

Thx for the answer Kaitz. However I don't think 249 hands are enough to have a good simple size for the 4bet stat. Am I wrong?


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letmewinplz8
Joined: 15.05.2010

Normally I probably do 3b/f in this spot unless have history of him 4betting.

Not near enough 4bet bluffing going off to justify shove imo


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Vs this sizing I'm shoving. I'm OK stacking off here even pre-ante. If he raised from an earlier position a call preflop is best.

BTW vs smaller sizing I'm calling the 4bet.


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Originally posted by julito23
Thx for the answer Kaitz. However I don't think 249 hands are enough to have a good simple size for the 4bet stat. Am I wrong?

if he is 4-bet bluffing or only 4-bet valuebetting is often decided on the game flow and your overall aggression. If you have run table over I would suspect he would fight back, if you have been nit then most likely it is QQ+
Also his sizing is very small which would likely not indicate to AK but rather QQ+ or air.

best regards,


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

4bet sizing o villain is ok
her 3 bet sizing i go smaller 5,4bb max to give him room to 4 bet light -> when i 3 bet i plan to shove if i got 4 bet if i plan to fold if he 4bet i just flat pre (not 3 bet) and play post flop poker imo key stats here is stealing % and raise PFR from LP


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letmewinplz8
Joined: 15.05.2010

Bit too strong to just flat 40bb effective imo

I would expect most villians to defend 3bets and fight back by flatting a lot more than start to 4bet bluff more (esp pre ante) so I would be happy to fold to the 4bet until I have more of a read on whats going off


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

I think our sizing is fine and folding to the 4bet is not out of the question at all. I prefer a shove in game in these closer spots with such a strong hand though, because we don't know if our opponent's range is QQ+ AK or if it's TT+ AQ+, or if it has a bunch of air in it (which is fine for us too because he's committed a lot of chips now).

I'm happy 3bet/folding AQ here.


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