Flop x/r range

I'd use it to x/r, but I think x/c it sometimes is fine too with a plan for it later on.

On the flop I'd x/r at least 90% of set combos and top 2pair. So that's about 14 combos.

Then to get close to 28 bluff combos, I'd use bd/fd upper gutshots, some nut FD's/BDFD's, some set blockers/fds/bdfds.

So something like

A2-A5s hh and ss = 8 combos
T7s hh and ss = 2 combos
9Ts hh and ss = 2 combos
T9o with a H = 6 combos
T7o with a H = 6 combos
56s, 76s hh = 2 combos
85s, 87 ss = 2 combos

Total 28 combos.

The hand looks pretty standard I think.

Sounds like a good plan. I think blocking
Set bb vs bu isnt relevant imo. Since your raise range
Is optimal bluff value ratio, and because villians defend range
Contains mainly Kx hands which block your value range
And have +ev calldown, blocking set combos is not
Important because it is only small part of his defend range. Imo blocking set
Is very good in early position and especially multiway.
Also 85s i dont see the reason to turn it into bluff when we are good
Vs villian range

Also isnt it better to float with upper gutshot
A2s-a5s because when we hit the pair we are good and if we raise and hit such
Weak pairs we have tough spot realizing equity?

My value range:
KQ, 88, 66, 86s = 20

Bluffs = 41
Ah2x- AhTx (no pairs no fd) = 21
5h7h, 5h6h, 6h7h, 6h9h, 7hTh, 6h4h, ah6h, qh6h = 7(i shove this vs 3b)
As2s-AsTs = 7
54s, 7Ts = 6

With raising ahx hands i block big part of
Of his defend range, thats why i choise them all.

Cool thanks Gingerkid, ♦

I hadn't thought about set blockers with ranges so wide. It makes sense to use some A:h rag hands instead that block 10 or so nut flush draws and also block few AK. I like that.

I don't know if it's better or not to raise or call the upper gotshots. My reason for having at least some, is they are in the x/r bluff range to have good equity to bet 2 streets on different turns that aren't a heart of spade.

I also thought, but don't know, that it would be better to have a nut gutshot like T9 in a raising range, than a weaker one like 54s, because if the 7 comes we cooler villain in a bigger pot, rather than the other way around. Same for T7s v 75s and if a 9 comes on the turn.

I think that cooler situations for lower gs with wide ranges
Are irrelevant because they happen super
Rarely. You have 40 raise combos, villian defends probably around 200, so the cooler
Situation happens super rare.
Also if you just call flop and you have still cooler
You win his whole stack anyway.

Isn't that a problem, after having a 2:1 bulff:value ratio on the flop, that your raise/fold cbet stat would be around 66%, which is way too high?

Originally posted by DarkAwi
Isn't that a problem, after having a 2:1 bulff:value ratio on the flop, that your raise/fold cbet stat would be around 66%, which is way too high?

It is not 66%. My range has 8 combos of strong draws which I also shove together with value so it is 54%, I think it is fine.

If we defend over 2 streets and call his 3b & see a turn with a potsized bet left we only need to defend about 50% on the flop and about 67% on the turn.

.5*.67 = .335

So we only have to showdown with about 34%.

Originally posted by jules97
If we defend over 2 streets and call his 3b & see a turn with a potsized bet left we only need to defend about 50% on the flop and about 67% on the turn.

.5*.67 = .335

So we only have to showdown with about 34%.

Can you please explain why 67% defend on turn vs pot size
Bet? He needs 50% Fe so i guess we need
To defend 50%.

Also if we can shove on flop with enough
Value and strong draws to unable him to bluff
Us profitable, why do you prefer call 3bet? Maybe even better
Click it back with the range we would shove to allow him
To shove semi bluff? I think calling 3bet is the
Best option if villian will spew or semi bluff wide, but if flush arrives
Our range isnt that strong anymore imo

I would mby c/r bigger OTF but if not I would definitely bet much more OTT to set it up for a river shove. I think your turn bet is too small on this drawy board. It can be size tell with your semibluff hand and mby with set you woul bet biggeer... dunno

With turn bluffs when villain shoves all in he always gets to realize his equity once his bluff is called. So hero needs to defend wider.

Using OP's hand for sizing.

Flop

Pot: 9 bb
villain cbet: 6 bb
hero x/r: 20 bb
villain 3b: 42 bb

% for villain 3b be successful for autoprofit =

(8+6+20)x - (42-6)(1-x) = 0
x = .51

Turn

Pot: 93 bb
Equity of Villains bluffs: .1
Effective stack depth: 109bb

% for villain turn shove to be successful for autoprofit =

93x - [(62.5 - (218)(.1) * (1-x)] = 0
93x - [40.7(1-x)] = 0
x = .3

When villain 3bs flop he's repping an even stronger & more polarized range than hero's x/r, so calling the majority of the time makes sense. Unfortunately hero can't always have the polarized range

If hero only has value and strong draws when he shoves into a flop 3b, villain can:

- fold all bluffs
- call with only the top of his range printing money.

He will save! money with missed bluffs on the turn, assuming hero is calling down balanced.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, I agree with your arguments.

Also which you maybe didnt account, that when villian bluff 3bets, and hero calls 3bet, villian is IP, and hero is cappt to nut combos (mayority), so villian if doesnt have to bluff further, but instead take free card (realize equity) with draws and stack hero off with his strong range.
Off course, when we call 3bet, there is more room for villian to make mistake, so I like calling more now, after reading your comments.

Another thing is, that when we raise with two pair, or set, villian doesnt have too many nuts combos (we block them), and he might 3bet also with TPTK, overpair, and call the shove (if we choose this raise range, our image is agro).

Hey guys,

I would generally c/c this combo and c/r somehands with less potential. If villain has no bluffs in his turn raising range, your turn call is extremely close. If u think he folds two pair on heart rivers, then I like the call.