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sneakybeaky
Joined: 01.10.2013

PokerStars - $0.25/$0.50 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 16.14 BB (VPIP: 27.96, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 95)
MP: 21.9 BB (VPIP: 40.49, PFR: 18.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 209)
CO: 44.16 BB (VPIP: 37.62, PFR: 29.70, 3Bet Preflop: 31.25, Hands: 104)
Hero (BTN): 44.18 BB
SB: 10.8 BB (VPIP: 32.67, PFR: 21.78, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 104)
BB: 13.28 BB (VPIP: 46.51, PFR: 28.24, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 89)

SB posts SB 0.2 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.7 BB) Hero has 8♣ K♦

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 1 BB, SB raises to 1.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (3.5 BB, 2 players) 5♠ J♦ 8♦
SB bets 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 2♦
SB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

River: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 2♣
SB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Being 3bet by the SB was scary to say the least. However hitting middle pair with a back door flush draw made calling the flop OK, the turn made things even better, and the river being a brick made calling the river bet OK too ?


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

This is a perfect hand to do some math since now you actually can define range a bit better(oponent has decent looking stats with extremly low 3bet% but that is quite likely samplesize.Im pretty sure that 33,22 guy doesnt raise just 3% of hands but if I were pesimistic I would say at least 8% and that is on average. This is SB vs BU so he will obviously 3bet more(how much exactly is hard to say)...

a) Pesimistic version:
Equity Win Tie
BU 55.34% 55.30% 0.04% Kd8c
SB 44.66% 44.62% 0.04% 44+, A5s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A7o+, KJo+, QJo

b) Imo more realistic version
Equity Win Tie
BU 59.54% 59.18% 0.36% Kd8c
SB 40.46% 40.10% 0.36% 44+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, A5o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo

So as you see you flop equity is pretty decent and it should be clear that you are indeed a favourite on this flop. That is quite obvious just because most of overcard combos missed the flop. Now you have to decide how to play your hand...
a) passive by calldown
b) agressive by making a raise: 1)raise flop
2)call flop/raise good turn
Pros,cons:
a) This is a safe version. You avoid hard decitions when faced with further action, you allow him to hand himself when he goes for stupid bets,you may collect a bit more when he checks river and then decide to call your bet ultra wide.
Problems with this line is obviously that you dont exploit your equity edge, assuming that a decent player will often go for stupid bets is not realistic so this factor is greatly diminished here

b) Raising exploits equity edge, it puts him under pressure where he will be forced to make decitions(so if you are a better player this will result in further profit). Obvious problem with this line is that it also demands good play from you since there will be potential hard decitions along the way.

What now:
If you are unsure about your play or that you assume he is rly good and are afraid of him I dont mind just calling down for practical reasons.Also to be frank this line is by far from being bad.

However Im quite sure that putting in a raise has higher EV here for sure. Just the fact that you have about 55-60% equity and that board is so drawheavy which will make him call you down light is good enough for me.

Deciding where to raise depends on stats/reads and your overall play in this spot (aka balance). I personally think that as default I go for fastplay just because I think that his turn cbet range will automaticly be stronger(since he will check some Ax at least) and also since flop raise may induce more calldowns or even spews. Also important to think is how you play other hands in this spot.How do you go with monsters,TP,FDs,OESDs,gutshots,air,Ahigh,...

I personally will have a split range and try to make it as balanced as possible. I certainly would have a flop raising range. 8x,slowplayed AA,KK,QQ,JJ,88,55,J8 are there and I would probably fastplay SDs and some gutshots(like QT,Q9). Then for my call flop/raise turn range I would have Jx and sometimes I would mix some from above mentioned monsters and good draws there also...mostly talking about FDs.

With hands like Ahigh,overcards,some gutshots,spade BDFDs I would call and reevaluate on turn card. With stronger Ahigh,5x and pockets Im certainly looking to SD with hand like KQ I intend to see river at least. With those guthsots,BDFDs and FDs I will raise turns sometimes.

As played there is no way to fold this at any point. Your hand is clearly at the top of your range which means that if you fold this one then you fold close to 100% ( and that is very bad). Here folding is super bad since he should valuebet worse hands at this point(basically any pair and probably even AK) And clearly he will also have hands like 9Ts,KQ,KJ,QT,............. so calling here with any pair,Ahigh is mandatory imo. KQ at this point is rly close since rivercard is an ultra brick.

My 2 cents:D


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sneakybeaky
Joined: 01.10.2013

Hi Dawnfall,

Many thanks for your detailed response - appreciate your time & thoughts !

Your analysis makes a lot of sense, especially the greater EV being to raise. I've just started at these stakes and probably playing a little too nervously. At this particular session I'd lost solidly and was starting to doubt my ability, and also the SB seemed to be a good player (although very few hands to go on obviously). Hence the call down mode.


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Great analysis Dawnfall!

But i have to disagree a little bit with the hands you've setup for villain. You've determined that he's betting A2s+ and A5o+ as he could do for sure but he is almost betting his entire range on the Turn which is think is a misassumption. You should determine some Ax type of hands as checking hands.

That decreases your equity down to a point where valueraising gets really thin, though i don't mind putting in a raise on a turn and betting again on a safe River. The thing is that you require less equity due to the fact that he's not 3betting with all his better hands but he'll be a bit more cautious due to a possible flush being present.

I'd cut his Range a bit and exclude some Ax type of hands and some pocketpairs he might check with. As it seems you ran the equilab against his entire prefloprange. assuming he's betting the turn 100%. Right?

It's close and a good stat to make a more correct decision would be the Contibet Turn - Stat. As you didnt post any information about your opponent i think that both lines are viable.


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Analysed equity is done on the flop. Ive mentioned that on turn he will check behind some amount of hands which will lower your equity.


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