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NL20 QQ - raise on turn

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ilioas
Joined: 24.11.2008

€0.10/€0.20 No Limit Holdem
iPoker
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG Player3 (€22.35) 112bb
UTG+1 Player5 (€42.05) 210bb
CO Player6 (€21.19) 106bb
BTN Player8 (€8.87) 44bb
SB HERO (€20) 100bb
BB Player1 (€10.74) 54bb

Pre-Flop: (€0.30, 6 players) HERO is SB Q♠ Q♥
Player3 raises to €0.60, 3 folds, HERO calls €0.50, 1 fold

Flop: J♠ 3♣ 4♦ (€1.40, 2 players)
HERO checks, Player3 checks

Turn: 8♣ (€1.40, 2 players)
HERO bets €0.70, Player3 raises to €2.20, HERO calls €1.50

River: 2♣ (€5.80, 2 players)
HERO checks, Player3 bets €4.40, HERO calls €4.40

Final Pot: €14.60
Player3 shows
8♥ 8♠

Player3 wins €13.87 (net +€6.67)

HERO lost €7.20

Villain is agressive Af5
23/20
Opens from UTG 16%

3betting and stacking is not an option so called preflop.

Flop is too dry so only value I could get are from A high or underpairs.

When cheked back - I want to get some value from 66-99. KT, T9
When raised villain might beon a flush draw or some air hand.

River completes flush but because of agression there could be Jx hands that i beat.


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Why 3betting is not an option?


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Paddii
Joined: 04.01.2011

You aren't aggressive enough. You need to build a pot preflop with your big PPs. Follow through with a Cbet on the flop. If there are no over cards, you're prob good against most of his just calling range and you want sPPs/Ax/draws to pay if they want to stick around or you take down the pot. If you face any resistance you can always fold. I only play plo cash but that would be my approach. Define you opponents range and exploit it. check through your hand histories and see what he's going to flop/showdown with. It makes betting easier, if he's got a lot of Axs or 88+ in his range barrel every time he misses. Most likely if you had been the last aggresser you would have built a decent pot and taken it down on the flop. Non showdown winnings are important too.

Sorry for the lecture,


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Mandator
Joined: 02.02.2008

You have to 3bet and Cbet flop!!! get the max value from your hand, don't wait until villian gets the nuts to make your move.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

3betting vs utg "depends", looks cool against 16% opener.
as played, don't you think he cbets Jx otf AND if he doesn't, then he doesn't raise it ott? i only give him x:c y:c and T9 type hands as possible bluffs (and i'd discount them a bit as well as people are mostly not that creative) so i fold river.


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jackwilder077
Joined: 18.09.2013

I agree with tomaloc..I only 3bet PF QQ vs utg if he opens more than 16 % and dont fold too much to 3bet like -65 %

given his aggression OTR i make my decision .


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Originally posted by jackwilder077
I agree with tomaloc..I only 3bet PF QQ vs utg if he opens more than 16 % and dont fold too much to 3bet like -65 %

given his aggression OTR i make my decision .

Why you want him folding too much to 3bets with QQ?


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Personally,I feel like just calling a big pair out of position is not very recommendable.You offer your opponent complete pot control and the chance to outdraw you, like he did right here.


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jackwilder077
Joined: 18.09.2013

Originally posted by gAsheks

Originally posted by jackwilder077
I agree with tomaloc..I only 3bet PF QQ vs utg if he opens more than 16 % and dont fold too much to 3bet like -65 %

given his aggression OTR i make my decision .

Why you want him folding too much to 3bets with QQ?

I mean the right opposite ..I want him to not fold too much to 3bet , to 3bet with QQ/AK ,I mean by : - 65 % : every thing less than 65 % fold to 3bet ... (ofc with wide open range )


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