Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

QQ 4way

7 Posts
3 Users
0 Reactions
158 Views
GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 223.84 BB (VPIP: 21.53, PFR: 16.89, 3Bet Preflop: 1.86, Hands: 380)
SB: 15.5 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 128)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 16.53, 3Bet Preflop: 7.36, Hands: 7,515)
UTG: 207.78 BB (VPIP: 21.55, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 4.30, Hands: 2,485)
Hero (MP): 148.46 BB
CO: 142.54 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 21.05, Hands: 53)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♦

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 4 players) 3♠ 4♦ 5♣
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 7 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 7 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) 8♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 13 BB, UTG calls 13 BB

River: (52.5 BB, 2 players) 4♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 27 BB, UTG calls 27 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows Q♠ Q♦ (Two Pair, Queens and Fours) (Pre 81%, Flop 61%, Turn 77%)
UTG mucks 6♦ 6♥ (Two Pair, Sixes and Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 39%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 101.18 BB

are bet sizes ok? would you call down QQ vs 3 barrels from UTG 3way, 4way on blanks?


Reply
Quote
6 replies
cutegoldfish
Joined: 19.11.2009

Hi,

Flop and turn - I agree with the BET sizes here for value against Ax and over pairs.

River - whatever is calling here is probably an overpaid worse than QQ and calling a big bet, so make it around 35-40?

What is the top of our range for calling 3 streets on this board? If we take away 40% of our range every Street, QQ probably still qualifies by the river bet as a continue.

Thanks
Xavierfok


Reply
Quote
GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

I meant defending multiway. Do you fold 40% each street?


Reply
Quote
mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Originally posted by GingerKid
I meant defending multiway. Do you fold 40% each street?

That only applies to headsup games, not for multiway.


Reply
Quote
mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

JJ is a little too weak to call down. QQ is fairly close, and if I had AA I would definitely call cos opponent might value bet KK/QQ 3-streets, especially with smaller bet sizes.

I think I would fold QQ anyway unless I knew that opponent was highly likely to 3-barrel AX type of hands on this 3-wheel flop. But honestly that's really unlikely given the multi-way action.


Reply
Quote
GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Thanks. Can you please give some general guide which hands are good enough to call down multiway which i could apply in most spots not only in this spot?
Currently i try to put villian on value range, and if my hand is pure bluff catcher i fold because i dont expect villian to bluff enough, so i call down only hands that have enough equity for given pot odds vs his value range. I am not sure if it is too tight. e.g i often fold 4way with top pairs on flop already.


Reply
Quote
mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

I don't know about 3-way, I'm sure some people will be capable of 3-barrel bluffing.

But when it's 4-way, the likelihood of a pure 3-barrel bluff falls drastically esp at Nl50. so I agree that you should probably look to fold most pure bluff catchers on the River.


Reply
Quote