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uuuooohhh
Joined: 05.08.2009

€2/€4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
iPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG vulehrat (€555.20) 139bb
CO uuuooohhh (€417.70) 104bb
BTN thaihookers (€573.14) 143bb
SB SayWhatAllLate (€396) 99bb
BB Lordbetalot85 (€400) 100bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 5 players) uuuooohhh is CO J♥ 5♠ A♥ 10:heart:
1 fold, uuuooohhh raises to €14, 1 fold, SayWhatAllLate raises to €46, 1 fold, uuuooohhh calls €32

Flop: 6♦ 10:diamond: 4♠ (€94, 2 players)
SayWhatAllLate bets €57.60, uuuooohhh calls €57.60

Turn: Q♥ (€209.20, 2 players)
SayWhatAllLate bets €168.96, uuuooohhh folds

Final Pot: €378.16

SayWhatAllLate wins €377.16 (net +€104.60)

uuuooohhh lost €103.60

What can I do here?

I have TPTK and the option to make top2pair

The villain range its something like this?
- overpair (whit/out) fd --> 75-25%
- ATKQ ---> 50%
- 5678 --> 70-30%
- rundowns like T89J 50%

I don't like raise call because i'm bad vs range to stack of villain.
I prefer just call but the problem is how i continue the action on differents turns.
I think i can't fold otf

¿If villain cheks ott i can play bet/fold (turn and river) become my hand on bluf ? I can do fold a better hands like overpair.

¿If villain bet a2n barrel i have to fold on all the turns less A, J, or T whithout diamonds?


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

I've had this spot a couple times in the past and what I've realized is that it's incredible difficult to defend +EV even though we have the best kicker. In fact having the Ace kicker could even be detrimental to our EV.
The board is mid/low and hyper-dynamic. We have no BD, nothing. I'd fold on the flop.


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uuuooohhh
Joined: 05.08.2009

ok.. so my question is

if you fold on this flop. When you call the 3bet with my hand, what kind of board you expect to find to continue on action?

Just Nut fd, trips or top two pair?

Thank you for the feedback


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

again readless here, really tough to make a good evaluation.

I don't think you can fold flop; villain has to slowdown on some turn cards, as this board hits our range quite ok as well.

I mean pls give some more info on villain, how much he cbets etc... Vs some you could even jam here, while vs others folding flop is fine

Regards,

Skod


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uuuooohhh
Joined: 05.08.2009

I dont have reads

Can you explain me vs what kind os players is preferably Jam, or call or fold please?

I dont have reads but i prefer like this because i can learn about different hipotetic situations.

Thank you


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

well the best players to jam vs are those that bet a lot in 3b pots, but are capable of folding hands like KK w/o fd. With your raise you generate a lot of fe, and even if you get called you have ok equity most of the time.

Also he only bets 1/2 pot here, which is usually a sign of strenght or weakness, as this is really not a board you want to be betting 1/2 pot. The board hits all of his medium rundowns, however ironcally vs them you often have the best hand on the flop even tho they have a big draw.

So really not a clear cut answer here i'm afraid. Vs some tight players that don't fold after they cbet here ever a raise would be a spew. If you think you have FE then raising become better.

If he'd bet bigger otf i'd just fold due to the reasons ETB mentioned.

If you call the flop you definetly have to turn it into a bluff in some spots. Like if villain cheks a diamond i'd always bet.

Regards,

Skod


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