8Qs vs raise blocker

I wouldn't cbet.

b/c i guess is ok
i suppose you have to call the turn against this guy if you call the flop

On the river, against this guy who is most likely x/f everything betting is probably best to fold out Jx or 98.

Against someone better I think it's pretty close, whether to x or bet a 9 or 8. Probably best to bet like K9 and check Q9 coz QJo is possibly a pretty chunky part of his river x/f range that beats these hands. The same thing goes for K8 and Q8 if you have these on the river, assuming villaisn river x/c's equally with like A8 and A9.

Hey GingerKid,

14% raise vs flop cbet is not super high or anything. I'm not a huge fan of the flop call, especially since turn cards are dangerous for us on this texture. Fine to take good blocker and 3b though.

River bet is fine, the line worked in this case, nice hand.

Originally posted by w34z3l
Hey GingerKid,

14% raise vs flop cbet is not super high or anything. I'm not a huge fan of the flop call, especially since turn cards are dangerous for us on this texture. Fine to take good blocker and 3b though.

River bet is fine, the line worked in this case, nice hand.

I am aware that hand is vulnerable but i plan to turn it into bluff if needed, and vs this guy it is especially good that he gives up river often.

14% raise is also not value heavy. I have exactly 14% raise and i am also bluffing enough.

Originally posted by GingerKid
I am aware that hand is vulnerable but i plan to turn it into bluff if needed, and vs this guy it is especially good that he gives up river often.

Yeah ok.

Originally posted by GingerKid
14% raise is also not value heavy. I have exactly 14% raise and i am also bluffing enough.

Hmm....if you say so Imo it should be higher.

If you raise allways all strong hands on flop it would be around 15% with 2x bluffs in average. But since you slowplay often on e.g. Axx, and dry boards, then it should be less than 15%.

Depends off course what our cold call range is. Maybe i cold call more than you and thats why it is smaller % raise range.

How much is yours on flop and turn? Also how often do you bet turn after raise flop, and bet river after raise flop and bet turn?

Originally posted by GingerKid
If you raise allways all strong hands on flop it would be around 15% with 2x bluffs in average. But since you slowplay often on e.g. Axx, and dry boards, then it should be less than 15%.

Depends off course what our cold call range is. Maybe i cold call more than you and thats why it is smaller % raise range.

I have like 12+% CC and 20% raise flop cbet. Imo it's the kinda stat that's great to have on the high side.

Not sure about the others, maybe I'll check when my DB is open.

By CC you mean call vs cbet? So it means you fold vs cbet around 65%-70%?

Originally posted by GingerKid
By CC you mean call vs cbet? So it means you fold vs cbet around 65%-70%?

lol no....that would be terrible. Fold to cbet should be below 40%. CC = cold-call pf according to HM2.

Originally posted by w34z3l

Originally posted by GingerKid
By CC you mean call vs cbet? So it means you fold vs cbet around 65%-70%?

lol no....that would be terrible. Fold to cbet should be below 40%. CC = cold-call pf according to HM2.

Hahah, for the moment I thought you are fish reg (just kidding)

Better to be lucky than good