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GingerKid
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Joined: 05.08.2007
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17.09.2014, 23:52

partypoker - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 192.17 BB (VPIP: 16.39, PFR: 11.48, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 62)
SB: 22.82 BB (VPIP: 33.41, PFR: 10.90, 3Bet Preflop: 1.14, Hands: 422)
BB: 298.16 BB (VPIP: 22.44, PFR: 18.05, 3Bet Preflop: 6.12, Hands: 9,473)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 129 BB (VPIP: 23.16, PFR: 19.16, 3Bet Preflop: 5.52, Hands: 1,470)
Hero (CO): 327.18 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ J♦

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) T♦ J♣ 3♥
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 5♣
UTG bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (65.5 BB, 2 players) 4♦
UTG bets 68 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68 BB

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UTG shows 7♣ 8♣ (High Card, Jack) (Pre 42%, Flop 22%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows A♥ J♦ (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 58%, Flop 78%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 198.5 BB

tough spot. fold? I think no chance to fold, when overbet on turn vs unknown player having weak perceived range makes not much sense (most of players give credit first time to unknown), and also I block JJ, AA which can play this way. He can still play this way AK, AQ, KQ.

seeing his hand, and postflop action my first tought was that he is very good reg, but why did he call 78s preflop. So what should I think of him as a first note?


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jules97
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18.09.2014, 01:27

interesting hand

I think on the turn I'd give him a range of stuff like sets and 2pair for value, so JJ, TT and TJs. Bluffs that make sense to me are KQs and AQs.

So with that kind of range, he's going to jam all his value hands on the river. And about 3 bluffs. I'm not really sure if AQ or KQ is any better than the other. So lets just say 50/50.

If I was hero, I'd get to the river with something like.

A:c:K:c
AJo
KJs
QJs
T:c9:c

Which is 17 combos. And I'd want to call about ~45%.
So A:cK:c ez fold, 1 combo
QJs ez fold, 3 combos

T:c9:c ez call 1 combo

Then need to call like 7/12 of AJo and KJs. I'd probably fold the 3 A:cJo coz I think it's more likely they get bluffed. So then I'd call 7/9 of the remaining AJo and KJs.


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jules97
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18.09.2014, 01:29

I wouldn't read too much into what he showed up with. Apart from the fact that he can call 3b's wide.


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18.09.2014, 07:56

Hey GingerKid,

Imo I think our perceived range is so frequently stuff like AQ/AK that it's probably a decent river call here with AJ. Unless villain is passive or something.


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GingerKid
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18.09.2014, 09:59

Originally posted by jules97
interesting hand

I think on the turn I'd give him a range of stuff like sets and 2pair for value, so JJ, TT and TJs. Bluffs that make sense to me are KQs and AQs.

So with that kind of range, he's going to jam all his value hands on the river. And about 3 bluffs. I'm not really sure if AQ or KQ is any better than the other. So lets just say 50/50.

If I was hero, I'd get to the river with something like.

A:c:K:c
AJo
KJs
QJs
T:c9:c

Which is 17 combos. And I'd want to call about ~45%.
So A:cK:c ez fold, 1 combo
QJs ez fold, 3 combos

T:c9:c ez call 1 combo

Then need to call like 7/12 of AJo and KJs. I'd probably fold the 3 A:cJo coz I think it's more likely they get bluffed. So then I'd call 7/9 of the remaining AJo and KJs.

Nice analyses. I would say that standard reg is not defending JTs. He could better overbet QQ+ than sets and JTs because sets and jts block Jx, Tx hands that we can call.


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mbml
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18.09.2014, 10:19

looks like an easy calldown w TPTK

so many draws missed, and he can def value bet worse (don't know about this guy but an aggro guy could potentially go for thin value with KJs) when you check back the Flop


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