J7s second pair 0.50/1E

djchals

Joined: 09.01.2012

10.02.2015, 14:24 0

Hi,

In this hand i dont know if my call river is right or if is better fold. The villain is 60/8/0.65 but i annotated he is able 3barrel with air in previous hands, but he is in bb and i block some suited clubs combos, and i think is probably he had the Q :f_ugly:

888 Poker - €0.50/€1 (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 30.42 BB (VPIP: 62.54, PFR: 7.59, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 298)
CO: 12.28 BB (VPIP: 72.41, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 29)
Hero (BTN): 6.33 BB
SB: 16 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.25 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has 7♣ J♣

CO calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 1 BB, fold, BB calls 0.5 BB, CO calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (3.25 BB, 3 players) 5♣ 7♥ Q♣
BB bets 0.5 BB, CO calls 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (4.75 BB, 3 players) 4♠
BB bets 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

River: (6.75 BB, 2 players) 5♥
BB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Spoiler

BB shows 3♦ Q♥ (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 54%, Flop 50%, Turn 68%)
Hero mucks 7♣ J♣ (Two Pair, Sevens and Fives)
(Pre 46%, Flop 50%, Turn 32%)
BB wins 8.32 BB

With the equilab, i put this range for river:

Mesa: Q♣7♥5♣ 4♠ 5♥
       Equity   Win  Tie
MP2    81.73%  69.56%  12.17% { KK+, TT-88, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AcKc, AdQd, AhQh, AsQs, KdQd, KhQh, KsQs, QdJd, QhJh, QsJs, AcTc, QdTd, QhTh, QsTs, Ac9c, Qd9d, Qh9h, Qs9s, Ac8c, Qd8d, Qh8h, Qs8s, Ad7d, As7s, Kd7d, Ks7s, Qd7d, Qs7s, Jd7d, Js7s, Td7d, Ts7s, 9d7d, 9s7s, 8d7d, 8s7s, Ac6c, Qd6d, Qh6h, Qs6s, 8c6c, 7d6d, 7s6s, Ac4c, Kc4c, Qd4d, Qh4h, Tc4c, 9c4c, 8c4c, 7d4d, 6c4c, Ac3c, Qd3d, Qh3h, Qs3s, 7d3d, 7s3s, 6c3c, 4c3c, Ac2c, Qd2d, Qh2h, Qs2s, 7d2d, 7s2s, 4c2c, AdQh, AdQs, AhQd, AhQs, AsQd, AsQh, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, Ad7s, Ah7d, Ah7s, As7d, Ac7d, Ac7s, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, Kd7s, Kh7d, Kh7s, Ks7d, Kc7d, Kc7s, QdJh, QdJs, QhJd, QhJs, QsJd, QsJh, QdTh, QdTs, QdTc, QhTd, QhTs, QhTc, QsTd, QsTh, QsTc, Qd9h, Qd9s, Qd9c, Qh9d, Qh9s, Qh9c, Qs9d, Qs9h, Qs9c, Qd8h, Qd8s, Qd8c, Qh8d, Qh8s, Qh8c, Qs8d, Qs8h, Qs8c, Qd7s, Qh7d, Qh7s, Qs7d, Qd6h, Qd6s, Qd6c, Qh6d, Qh6s, Qh6c, Qs6d, Qs6h, Qs6c, Qd4h, Qd4c, Qh4d, Qh4c, Qs4d, Qs4h, Qs4c, Qd3h, Qd3s, Qd3c, Qh3d, Qh3s, Qh3c, Qs3d, Qs3h, Qs3c, Qd2h, Qd2s, Qd2c, Qh2d, Qh2s, Qh2c, Qs2d, Qs2h, Qs2c, Jd7s, Jh7d, Jh7s, Js7d, Td7s, Th7d, Th7s, Ts7d, Tc7d, Tc7s, 9d7s, 9h7d, 9h7s, 9s7d, 9c7d, 9c7s, 8d7s, 8h7d, 8h7s, 8s7d, 8c7d, 8c7s, 7d6h, 7d6s, 7d6c, 7s6d, 7s6h, 7s6c, 7d4h, 7d4c, 7s4d, 7s4h, 7s4c, 7d3h, 7d3s, 7d3c, 7s3d, 7s3h, 7s3c, 7d2h, 7d2s, 7d2c, 7s2d, 7s2h, 7s2c }
MP3    18.27%   6.10%  12.17% { Jc7c }

pt4 says i need 11% of equity for call river and only i win 6.10% times and tied 12.17% but i dont know how i calculate my needed equity for a tie.

sorry for my bad english i need other school for it :yaoming:

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Avataren

Joined: 28.04.2010

Posts: 1,754

11.02.2015, 21:46 0

first of all if i read the HH correctly. you only had 6BB on the table at the beginning of the hand. ALWAYS keep 12BB on the table since that is the maximum you can earn in 1 single hand. It would suck if you had a A66AA board and the guy had 66 and you the last A right

second i want to fold the river but I don't think i can. especially not vs such a fun player. at first glance i think its well played. about the math i think you gotta wait until YohaNN7 answers, hes way better at the math than i am. But id say call is okay.

edit: looking at the hand properly you have a flush draw and a pair on the flop.. You definitely have to raise this on the flop. Id even consider capping if he 3bets you. way too passive of you on the flop.

http://i.imgur.com/MvKWM6x.png

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djchals

Joined: 09.01.2012

Posts: 79

12.02.2015, 00:54 0

Hi, thank you very much for the response sometimes i forget recharge the stack, you are right :roto2:

I cant raise the flop with semibluff because i think dont have any fold equity against this player, he has 0.65AF and was donking me, sure he has a pair+ and he will want to go to the SD.

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YohanN7

Joined: 15.06.2009

Posts: 4,700

12.02.2015, 08:26 0

I didn't answer this one because it's so close that I have no idea without going through it in Combonator. Even so, since it is a fish we are talking about, it would not be of much use. I'd guess fold, especially if the dude shows a low aggression factor. But I wouldn't blame anyone for calling. You beat some busted flush draws and worse sevens.

Otherwise, Ava is right about flop play. Standard is to just call a donker, but here, I can see the virtue of raising. You have the equity (provided he has at least a few bluffs in his range) and you might even check behind on turn (normally a fish play after raising flop) if it comes badly. (The turn card that actually came is sort of bad, straight draws got there.) And yeah, fix auto top-up.

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Avataren

Joined: 28.04.2010

Posts: 1,754

12.02.2015, 19:27 0

about raising the flop.. we are not raising to get him to fold. You have a pair + fd which in my book is pure value raise basically. its a very strong flop hit. But think of it this way. you have a fd. sure he can donk his TP all the time , its still good to raise . think about a club on the turn or river. if hes that bad and he continues to donk. easy raise. bam good pot.

i just took his range as a 65% no changing it to look like a real hand range but look at these percentages. Easy raise

Board: 5♣7♥Q♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     76.34%  75.71%   0.63% { Jc7c }
BU     23.66%  23.03%   0.63% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 93s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 53s+, A2o+, K2o+, Q3o+, J6o+, T6o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o }

against Q3o specifically you are 50.10% to his 49.90% your still ahead albeit by 0.20%

http://i.imgur.com/MvKWM6x.png

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