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44 Big 8.8 Max Fold Equity?

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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

PokerStars - $8+$0.80|40/80 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 126.83 BB (VPIP: 35.85, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 53)
UTG+1: 56.35 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
MP: 25.45 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 37.5 BB
Hero (CO): 56.9 BB
BTN: 41.28 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 21)
SB: 101.15 BB (VPIP: 18.87, PFR: 5.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
BB: 32.69 BB (VPIP: 64.44, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 45)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 4♦ 4♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 56.78 BB and is all-in

Opponent 3bettting light IP. Did I made good move to create maximum fold equity?


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SawyerNS
Joined: 17.09.2010

Not even close. Besides "Opponent 3bettting light IP" how is it some kind of stone read for 21 hands? Even when it is, we shouldn't ever risk 56BB ef stack in this scenario, 4-Bet fold like 2.3-2.5x and fold to show; But I don't like that option either w 44, better to do this w blocker hands like Ax; So fold seems fine!

Regards,
Lothar


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Originally posted by SawyerNS
Not even close. Besides "Opponent 3bettting light IP" how is it some kind of stone read for 21 hands? Even when it is, we shouldn't ever risk 56BB ef stack in this scenario, 4-Bet fold like 2.3-2.5x and fold to show; But I don't like that option either w 44, better to do this w blocker hands like Ax; So fold seems fine!

Regards,
Lothar

Thanks Lothar for replay.

We are 41 BB eff. and i saw him to do this couple hands before. He did for another player and show cards. :)
4bet fold is not a option we gain to nice price when he doing 5bet AI. And 44 playing this same as TT vs Big 2 card (AK, AQ, AJs). he might turn into bluff this hands. IMO


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SawyerNS
Joined: 17.09.2010

Sorry, we are 41 BB eff, but still do we really want to this unnecessary flip being that deep? And plus add pairs 55+; It's not the same as TT, because you are seeing things straightforward (no offence) any pocket pair vs two overs etc., If he show that he capable to light 3-bet than wait for the better spots to exploit that; And giving him opportunity to flipping 41 BB eff not right one.

Regards,
Lothar


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Very interesting point.

As we know poker evolve from tight passive throughout tight aggressive to loose aggressive style.
If on our left we will have LAG player and we open a lot and fold a lot we are exploitable and during long run we will loose money.

IMO we shouldn't be exploit and we should exploit others. Thats how we become better poker player.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don’t want to gamble either in a soft MTT like this for 41bb effective with still enough room to use your edge in your advantage and if he called your pretty much drawing to set or facing 2 over cards like AK.

Best regards,
SDK1987


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Thanks SDK

Hmm. I think this will work better against blinds.

For example If we steal from BTN and we know that BB have wide 3bet range. For example:
AA-22, A2s+, QTs etc. We might profitable 4bet JAM here.
Against 2 big over cards we are about 54%. I think mostly he will fold his 3bet range form BB.

I spoke with couple people about this spot and I think we are mostly against not such a wide range so we need more reads on opponent, his tendency. 21 Hands is nothing.


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