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NiGhMa
Joined: 14.09.2012

Hi guys, I need your help on this hand

This is a Zoom hand. Villain's 18/16/8 on 124 hands (WTSD 3/16; WWSF 12/16; AF 8/inf/inf)

First of all I don't know if the cold call PF OOP is good with that non nutty hand.
Do you play it like this? I think 4bet is not good with that hand....

Then OTF, do you donk? x/c or x/r? Why

And OTR? do you b/f ?

Thank you guys

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 149.32 BB (VPIP: 31.94, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 73)
Hero (SB): 256.8 BB
BB: 104.58 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG: 120.78 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP: 153.18 BB (VPIP: 17.89, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 124)
CO: 147.04 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 2.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ 8♦ 9♦ Q♣

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 10.5 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, fold, MP calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (32.5 BB, 3 players) 9♠ Q♥ 3♥
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (32.5 BB, 3 players) 6♦
Hero bets 28.54 BB, MP calls 28.54 BB, fold

River: (89.58 BB, 2 players) T♣

Spoiler

Hero checks, MP bets 84.68 BB, fold,


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi, NiGhMa,
I'm no Omaha expert but...

Villain seems to me to be rather tight for Omaha 6-handed.

So JKxx is definitely in his range, and you block only the J
This doesn't look like the type of board people like to bluff with -- or does it?
If so, what would he conceivably bluff with?

Cheers,
VS


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WhiteWalker
Joined: 06.06.2015

I doubt this kinda player is calling here with only a flush draw and also doubt he picks up much equity with the 6 on the turn. I would likely either b and fold or x/call depending on the bet sizing. If it is a pot size bet I would likely fold. I like the check back on the flop. A check raise on the flop would be such a weird line considering you are continuing flop with all QQ, 99 and strong hands and when a x/raise is called you are in a very awkward spot.

Villain lack of aggression on the turn considering your bet sizing lead me to disregard sets. Not completely but quite a bit. I likely therefore go for a check call if he bets. This way you can get 66 and 99 type hands to bluff river. Especially 99 considering they may feel they block straights. The river does smell like JKxx (2 hearts).

On the turn I do feel like your bet is very large considering that villain would think a 6 has not improved your hand very often if at all and therefore you could bet just over half or 2/3 pot. I think this allows you to have cheaper bluffs in the future and for weaker draws to stay in the pot.


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meetya
Joined: 11.03.2007

very interesting hand.

[P] pretty standard imo
[F] i really dont know whats best here and i think its pretty close between donking and x/r (i think the SPR w/ ~4.3 is too low to x/c/evaluate turn especially since ur very rarely up against a better made hand
donking:
+ u put MP in a tough spot with the BTN sitting behind him
+ u dont give a free card
- the turn will be kinda awkward a lot of the time with an SPR of ~1.3 (almost 50% of all turns are a flush card, a straight card or a 3)
(- u cant shove ott even if ur potting otf)
x/r:
+ ur committing urself and dont have to worry about playing turns OOP
- u dont have much fold equity (probably flipping against villains get-it-in-range)
- u risk giving a free card
[T] as played: i think u have to lead
[R] i think x/c is best. i dont think ur getting value from worse hands often enough by betting (ur blocking a lot of 2pairs/sets (sets are unlikely anyway after villain flat called ott) and he rarely has 87 here). but he certainly has quite some busted flushdraws. ofc he has quite some KJ, too, but ur blocking a J (which reduces the KJ combos) and not a single heart. sadly i dont have pokerjuice but im pretty confident that villain doesnt have KJ much more often than a busted flushdraw (obv w/o KJ).


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010
Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

I'm folding this preflop. Good looking hand, but gap in middle, other suit is only 9-high, out of position against to players. Deep.. No.

When we call and hit the flop, I think donking is the right way to go.

What possible hand could he call you with OTR as played, some weird QT? If you bet it's more like blocker than value I think. When villain bets so big it would be nice to have some reads about his tendencies and bet-sizings.. KJ is very likely, but could also be missed FD (specifically KhKxhx) , unfortunately I don't think he valuebets worse or same straight we have so big, so it's KJ or nothing. If he seems passive I can find fold here, otherwise cry calling when blocking with straight with our own straight.


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NiGhMa
Joined: 14.09.2012

Already thank you guys for your collaboration.

OTR I think villain could have a hand like KJTx or KJxxhh but also a lot of draws like hearts, 87, JT, T8 or combos
I've got 2nd nuts here and I'm blocking some KJ combos with my J

I'd like to put it in PokerJuice but I don't know how exactly (I'm a newbie w/PJ)


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

You check the flop and bet the turn, and check the river. Your hand looks a lot like a bluff or some kind of made hand on the flop/turn. River completes one of the draws so opponent can bluff here with all of his air. Once you check, are you really folding second nuts? If you bet KJ here, then you don't have check-call range which makes it quite exploitable.

So unless you have a really good reason to put him on KJ solely, check-call.


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