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Paired board vs. aggro

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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

PokerJuice Hand History #7078

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00
SB ($100.00) 100bb
BB ($100.00) 100bb
CO ($100.00) 100bb (Hero)
BTN ($100.00) 100bb (Villain)

($1.50, 4 players)
CO bets $3.00, BTN calls $3.00, SB folds, BB folds

($7.50, 2 players) 5♠ 5♦ 3♣
CO bets $3.75, BTN raises to $11.25

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Villain is 35/25/15, sort of aggro reg.

First, let's assume that hero has air but doesn't want to fold. We can also assume that villain raises his whole range there.

Think:

- If we raise, what is the betsizing and what hands can villain call us or shove?
- If we call and donk the turn, what hands can villain call us or shove?

So is it better to raise the flop or to call and donk the turn?

Second, how do we play our value range? What is it and how to proceed on the flop?


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meetya
Joined: 11.03.2007

(assumption: u 2 havent created a special dynamic already)
b/r:
- our perceived range: trips+
- opponents calling range: trips+
- opponents shoving range: trips/tk+ // trips/oesd+

b/c // donk turn:
- our perceived range: depends on the turn but at least trips, rather a boat or somehow a straight
- opponents calling range: again, depends on the turn, but at least trips, he may throw away a 5 with just 1 overcard for example
- opponents shoving range: boats

so imo we have more FE by b/c // donking the turn but thats pretty much a reason why we wouldnt want to take that line with our value range (plus the fact that we dont get any more value from villains bluff range). and i wouldnt want to have a bluff here everytime i take that line.


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PokerIsBadBeat
Joined: 17.06.2010

Hi,

I have some trouble to play paired board against aggro players.

I would love to see how you construct your ranges on such boards and your plan until the river.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I think meetya said it well "so imo we have more FE by b/c // donking the turn but thats pretty much a reason why we wouldnt want to take that line with our value range (plus the fact that we dont get any more value from villains bluff range). and i wouldnt want to have a bluff here everytime i take that line."

Against regs we want to have somewhat balanced lines, so having one hugely weighted line is really easy to exploit if villains notices it. And in terms of value, b/c flop and donk turn is really akward. Of course it means that it might work as a value line too. But without some specific dynamics I wouldn't use it.

Against aggro players the main thing to consider is how does he attack these boards? Does he start to raise with air or does he widen his raise range to weaker made hands and semibluffs? How often he raises here?

If he folds more than 35% of his range, we can happily bet this board. It is almost impossible to get a 65% calling range without air in it.

If he raises with air (quite probable) then the situation gets a lot trickier. One option is to reraise, which is quite profitable IF villain raises a lot with air. Lets roll some numbers.

BTN calls preflop around 40% in here, and 3bets around 15%. He has 5+ (value range) otf 15% of the times. He is not raising JJ-AA (calling range), which is another 20% of the times. He has OESD or a wrap about 5% and rest (air) 60%.

If we reraise to 28, we need to have about 55% FE. If he calls with JJ-AA (as a bluff catcher) then the air part of his raising range goes over 75%. So within these assumptions reraising is +EV as a bluff.

If we have a valuehand (5+) then cbet as normal, but after his raise we have to decide if we want to call or raise. If we haven't reraised him before, I would probably just call and give him an opportunity to continue with his bluffs. If he has seen us reraise as a bluff before, I would make the same raise with valuehands.

If we have a bluff catcher (high pocket pairs) then we have to decide before the cbet if we want to induce the raise or not. Most opponents don't barrel the turn with air if they get bet-called on these boards. Check-call is also one option, although it caps our range. Then the question is "is our opponent bold enough to barrel multiple streets with air even as we show him that we are aiming for a calldown?".

As you can see, in every situation it's a constant game of cat and mouse, if our opponent is a thinking player who will adjust. Instead of just making automatic standard decisions, you should always be thinking "where are we at the moment in our adjustment game?".

If you have a lot of hands from your opponent, you can easily filter out paired boards and check his tendencies. As long as he folds over 40% in HU pots you can always cbet with air.


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