[SH Zoom] 44 not your average "flop hits set"

Raise the flop for god's sake!

Originally posted by Berezovaya
Raise the flop for god's sake!

Yeah, good point. I figured that with all the flop action we might get some more dead money in the pot on the turn before raising, but raising flop is good because there are a lot of draws.

What about turn as played? That's where I'm at a loss.

On flop even the check is a bit out of order. We are mw, board is wet - donk/raise.

Originally posted by Th334
What about turn as played? That's where I'm at a loss.

As played (after the flop action) you still got to take an initiative. You may do it by donking or simply x/r about 2.5x (massive amount of worse hands calling)

Am I the only one who finds this scenario unnerving? The UTG bets into 3 players and all 3 call. Then he barrels into them again and all of them keep calling.

I guess the assumption you guys have is that TT/QQ raise flop or turn? Which should be reasonable, but wasn't true this time. It's kinda weird thinking: on one hand we expect villains to be good enough to raise their sets on a drawy board, but on the other hand we expect them to be bad enough to stack in multiway pot here with draws?

What about raising small on the flop , cuz everybody in the hand are looking for weak top pair or 2nd pairs or every kind of draws. By raising small I mean sizing which keep everybody in the hand and will let u shove the turn for around the pot size.

Slowplaying here decisively is losing ur equity in the pot

We've called preflop to hit a set. Now we have a set and we should start betting. Too many payers in the pot, and we should try to narrowthe field as everyone of them may have decent equity to improve.
Being tricky here is against us.

Donk flop or x/r but I don´t like x/c. Too many bad card can come on the turn

As to the raise sizing, could someone please quote me defaults? What I'm doing is:
1) 50% pot raise when bluffing and for value when we don't want to scare people off.
2) 65-75% pot raise for value when we want to build up the pot and don't expect the villain to fold anything that he wouldn't to a smaller raise.

Now Kalecia mentioned a different type of raising:
3) A small flop raise (~40%?) in multiway to enable us to shove turn.

How do these look? Also, what do you think about 40% pot or less raises? I don't use them much, because I think that they show strength while not really building up the pot. I guess 40% as a bluff should be an option then too.

I just see people min-raising quite often, but it's just fishplay, right?

In our case you should be raising heavy on flop. There are too many draws and we have to make them pay.

isn't the odds for getting a set vs set like 1/100? Anyways I agree with the rest of the thread, I am not much of a donker myself so I would probably most likely just c/R.