NL16 River situation with full house

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I'm calling because Zeebo Theorem, but I expect to lose a lot. Can still see 77/AK enough and I don't like folding boats at micros.

Originally posted by Zeffke
Sorry posted in the wrong place... can someone replace it?

Thanks in advance

Done.

Originally posted by MJPerry
I'm calling because Zeebo Theorem, but I expect to lose a lot. Can still see 77/AK enough and I don't like folding boats at micros.

I can't fold TT either as Cash game noob.

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I like the play, most loose players will be raising QJ or JJ on flop to build a pot against QA, QK etc. Villain looks like a donk that is over-playing 77, or that holds KA and made a straight and now thinks its the nuts!... I'd call and expect to lose often but most the time I think its gunna be good!

You guys must be crazy. A guy 4bets (!) you on the river: he obviously has the nuts or something very close to it. I have to admit it is very hard to imagine him having any of QQ/JJ/77/QJ the way the previous streets went so it does look he might have AK but why do we have to 3bet this and what is the plan for a 4b ship? We need to be really sure the guy is fishy enough to call or even 4b with worse and how can we be with a sample size of 11 hands?? Any special table dynamics the preceding hands?

What the hell is the zeebo theorem?

My guess is he has the actual nuts.

Originally posted by briccius
You guys must be crazy. A guy 4bets (!) you on the river: he obviously has the nuts or something very close to it.

Yes. Fortunately we have a full house. That's quite a good hand. It beats trips, straights, and the one lower full house.

Originally posted by briccius
I have to admit it is very hard to imagine him having any of QQ/JJ/77/QJ the way the previous streets went so it does look he might have AK

Yes. Fortunately we have a full house. That's quite a good hand. It beats AK.

Originally posted by briccius
but why do we have to 3bet this

Because we have a full house. That's quite a good hand. It beats AK.

Originally posted by briccius
and what is the plan for a 4b ship?

Maybe someone should make a hand analysis post asking this very question. Oh wait...

Originally posted by briccius
What the hell is the zeebo theorem?

Zeebo Theorem. Internetting is hard sometimes.

This is probably a fold, but I'm just not going to fold boats at microstakes too often.

To be honest I'm starting to agree with you there.. But I think he is polarised to either being a bad player and overplaying a big but non-nut hand like KA (Which lots of bad players do at these stakes) or he's got the stone cold nuts and was slow playing something like QQ after assuming hero's weak and was inducing a bluff. But I think surely QQ would bet to protect against hands with equity such as K10 on the flop? (Understandably after the turn is Q he can check with QQ) It seems to me he is fishy in which case he's probably fishy enough to make this play with AK anyway! Either way I think the best play was to call the river re-raise and not to raise again and get 4 bet and put in to this tricky situation!

We should call the river raise. There are better FHs possible, so praying it safe is ok.

He could easily have AK here and we are missing value if we just call his raise. Your hand also doesn't look that strong. Of course some slowplayed nuts is possible but he would have AK more often imo.

Are we not getting direct odds to call versus 12 combos of better full houses,16 combos of AK and 3 combos of 77?

Not all AK will be raised here. The board is paired.

Yeah it's an unknown at NL16 though so I'm not giving him any credit.

@OP I really don't think this is worth much analysis. It probably should be a fold, but you're never going to find a fold in-game at NL16, and even if you make the same mistake every time you check twice and then get 4-bet on the river, it's really not going to affect your life that much.