Tricky multiway 3bet pot with AA

Cbet OTF. There is plenty of other hands than QQ and KK.

I would cbet this flop too. No need to give free cards there.

i would play for 2 streets of value (flop + turn) and decide river.
This is not such a scarry flop.
More scarry would be 9:h T:c J:s, in wich i am check folding, or maybe calling 1 street.

Originally posted by la55i
Cbet OTF. There is plenty of other hands than QQ and KK.

Sure there are, but I guess I just weighted their calling range much more towards JJ+ since I raised so big preflop. In a 3bet pot that's not a very nice board against 2 opponents with AA.

I'm just thinking if we bet that flop, is it for value? From what worse hand would we get value from on that board? We block AQ and AK (6 combos of each) and JJ would probably fold right away on that board - which of course isn't a bad result either since we really don't like to give free cards in 3bet pots with strong hands. But on that board in this exact spot (preflop sizings, 2 villains) our hand is not that strong imo so betting AA wouldn't be outright value bet but not a bluff either.

I think it is for value. There is still AK and AQ hands. I believe TT+ and even some weaker pocket pairs will call this 3bet. BTN might call JTs? QQ, KK and KQ are only a small part of their 3bet cold calling range.

Originally posted by la55i
I think it is for value. There is still AK and AQ hands. I believe TT+ and even some weaker pocket pairs will call this 3bet. BTN might call JTs? QQ, KK and KQ are only a small part of their 3bet cold calling range.

AK might call for sure but it's not that likely since we block the ace and 1 king on the board too. Same with AQ. Don't really think someone would call that big of a squeeze with AQ but AK is possible.

Actually villain's cold calling range of TT-QQ in these spots is very reasonable but a bet isn't for value against TT-JJ if they never call on this board with those hands. And I'm pretty sure they wouldn't.

It's already 40 bbs on the flop - they are pretty much facing a decision for their entire stack if they want to put more money into the pot. Now see why aces don't look so good anymore on this board in my opinion? ♦ KK probably would have put the money in preflop though but just a call isn't that outlandish, sometimes people do it.

So we get action from KK, QQ, AK on the flop and pretty much everything else folds. Someone might even have KQ.

Hands we want action from: AK (6 combos)

Hands we don't want action from: KK & QQ (total 6 combos)

Rest of the range probably folds. If BTN has KQ in his range, there's 9 combos of those.

So it's a very awkward spot.

Pre: I would still make it 12bb, IMO you are not so deep that you would need to change your sizing, and this bigger sizing makes MP calling range a lot more tighter.

Flop: it's tough. MP calling range vs cb is very strong on this board (KK-QQ, AK, AQs, KQs and he might not have AQs, KQs in his calling range pre), BU range, which continue vs cb, is strong too ( mainly QQ,AK,AQs,KQs,JTs,KJs), so IMO x is good, other option could be betting 1/3 of the pot, but I prefer x.

River: Bet bigger, around 30bb, if MP or BU shoves, you have easy fold.

I like cbetting this flop more than check/calling. We often have the best hand there and we should go for value, at least two streats. If someone raises, we should fold mwp.

I like the river stab.