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Flop big, fold riv?

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sooley570
Joined: 27.11.2010

Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 159,557 (39.9 bb)
BB: 114,720 (28.7 bb)
UTG+1: 12,907 (3.2 bb)
UTG+2: 148,786 (37.2 bb)
MP1: 71,237 (17.8 bb)
MP2: 87,951 (22 bb)
Hero (MP3): 93,891 (23.5 bb)
CO: 189,326 (47.3 bb)
BTN: 53,436 (13.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2 A
4 folds, Hero raises to 8,000, CO folds, BTN calls 8,000, SB calls 6,000, BB folds

Flop: (32,500) Q A 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 12,000, BTN folds, SB calls 12,000

Turn: (56,500) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 28,000, SB calls 28,000

River: (112,500) 6 (2 players)
SB bets 56,250, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

112,500 pot
Final Board: Q A 2 8 6
SB mucked and won 112,500 (64,000 net)
Hero mucked 2 A and lost (-48,500 net)

Got myself into this spot during the 3.30 progressive super knockout on pokerstars.

I folded the river because he over called out of position from the small blind (although getting great odds because button called) I thought he would be doing this with small to medium pairs, small through medium aces possibly some medium Kx or Qx hands and suited connectors and maybe some 1 or 2 gapers.

I didn't think he would check call an over 3rd pot bet on the flop and a half pot bet on the turn with just 1 pair unless it was an A but then when he leads the river for the rest of my chips when the flush draw gets there (although it was an under a half pot bet, it also was a lot of his chips) I ruled out just a lone A because if he did have just a pair of aces and thought they were good why not just let me continue "bluffing" and check call the river to which given my SPR and how much I've already invested it stands to reason there is a fair chance I may do. It seemed to me in the moment like the river lead after just check calling twice was pretty strong and he got there on the river with a flush and didn't want me to get away and check back top pair.

After reviewing the hand I think I maybe should have called given how much I invested. There is probably a decent amount of bigger (non-2pair) aces in his hand that he would use the third diamond as a bluff card or maybe even genuinely thought he was good. Also some of the Qx or connector/gaper hands could have turned or rivered a smaller 2 pair. The thought of a set also crossed my mind but I figured it would of HAD to of been a flopped set with pocket 2's because 8's and 6's wouldn't continue past the flop so I think that is too unlikely to really factor in.

Would like to get some feedback and know what anyone thinks of this hand
Thanks!:f_drink:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would bet the flop a lot more on a wet board like that and if you bet like 20k you can shove on a blank turn as well. This way you protect your hand better against draws I think.

As played you can only beat a bluff on the river and I don’t think he will do that too often.
So I would fold here as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Yeah, betting 20-24k and shipping turn seems better against a fish, but I dont hate the small flop bet if you are against reg-ish looking villain.
Thats the beauty of being in position in tournaments, you can bet small OTF and continue differently on various turns. As played, the turn sizing is ok and the river fold is good :f_thumbsup:


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

on a normal tourney , I really like your sizing. In a bounty, try to get it in on the turn and bet bigger on flop.

as played, good fold OTR. Bounty tournament need to be played slightly differently as the bounty is often a good portion of what you would get by just getting ITM. So busting people is much more worth than just accumulating chips in a regular tourney


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sooley570
Joined: 27.11.2010

Villain was unknown only had 39 hands on him, I didn't see him do anything crazy in the hands I did see so I didn't have too much of a read. But I like what you guys suggested, I think betting the flop bigger and planning to get it in on the turn is the best way to play this in general and especially against an unknown. I am at least glad to hear you thought the fold on the river was good given how things played out. I ended up coming 70th out of over 6200, if I had got it in on the turn and won this pot I think I would have made it quite a bit deeper and maybe even final tabled for the second time in this tourny so I will definitely keep your advice in mind for the future.

Thanks for commenting!


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