Betting the turn?

OTT straights or flushes are not yet possible and river can bring many cards we do not like. I think you can shove turn. If you bet small you just give odds to draws to call.

As played I think it might be better to fold OTR. It is unlikely that villain tries to bluff you imo. Villain can have a flush and any Tx makes a straight (although he shouldn't have many of those in his range). KK,QQ,JJ have a set. You block Ax hands and I doubt that villain will bet those here. He has KQ in his range also which he can bet. He just doesn't have anything worse in his range...

I would bet around 60% on the turn and check call on the river with that card.

As you played it I would shove after his turn bet because of the draws on the board.

OTF my bet would be bigger (around 3 most probably). Villain shows he can call a huge 3Bet, this is pure value that you can get. OTT is I think a pretty easy shove IMO since many cards you will not like OTR.

Yeat thanks, i knew i was beat OTRm it was spewy play

Originally posted by beefpuff
I would bet around 60% on the turn and check call on the river with that card.

As you played it I would shove after his turn bet because of the draws on the board.

As I said there is many cards we don't want to see on the river. If we bet 60% we leave around 2.5$ behind which would be 15% of the pot on the river if villain calls, that is going to the middle no matter what happens.. Are you sure betting 60% is ok?

On the river if you are convinced that you have the best hand why not bet? As played we have only under 30% of the pot left, I doubt villain will fold... On the other hand if you are scared about that board and check because of that, why call? What hands can villain reasonably bet that we beat?

I like betting turn more. Therr are weaker hands that will pay.
As played , x/shove seems good on turn.

Putting the final out come of the hand aside for a minute, yeah, I probably would have bet the turn. But when that K♣: comes on the river, I would check/fold. As sweet as AA is, you've only got one pair with no more cards coming. Plus that's not the type of board you should go all in with with only one pair.

Originally posted by beefpuff
As you played it I would shove after his turn bet because of the draws on the board.

this is interesting. From time to time I am in those spots and not sure what to do.
I was thinkign that I will look too strong and no worse hand will call, and draw will only call if it gets the right odds. But I win money only when draw calls without getting the odds. BUt now thinking - top pair will not fold in 3bet pot usually I guess. So this can be good. And he probably does not have many nuts when he bets turn - he should have KT but its GS on flop, so its imposible.
So only JJ is possible that beats us when he bets turn. He can bet also with AQ for value. Not sure if KQ bets, cause it is also not that strong.

Originally posted by la55i
OTT straights or flushes are not yet possible and river can bring many cards we do not like. I think you can shove turn. If you bet small you just give odds to draws to call.

Straights are possible OTT. KT and T8 got there. However, I just see as real combos on villain range KTs w backdoor flush.

About the turn bet in this hand... I really like the idea of shoving turn ♠_thumbsup:

Originally posted by nitrol
I like betting turn more. Therr are weaker hands that will pay.
As played , x/shove seems good on turn.

I dont think so. Allowing a free card in such board cant be good, imo.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol
I like betting turn more. Therr are weaker hands that will pay.
As played , x/shove seems good on turn.

I dont think so. Allowing a free card in such board cant be good, imo.

For 100th time: READ CAREFULLY!!! This is your great leak!
I wrote that I prefer to bet the turn...

I think he meant that by checking yourself on SB OOP, you give your opponent the opportunity to check behind

However, needless to say that within this short time you guys have written quite some history with each other

The pot is too big on the turn, better to fold or shove the turn.

Originally posted by Hesticus
I think he meant that by checking yourself on SB OOP, you give your opponent the opportunity to check behind

I think, I clearly said: As played... which I hope I do not have to explain.
Someone has to read it first...

Nope. I understand.

It was not aimed at you.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol
I like betting turn more. Therr are weaker hands that will pay.
As played , x/shove seems good on turn.

I dont think so. Allowing a free card in such board cant be good, imo.

For 100th time: READ CAREFULLY!!! This is your great leak!
I wrote that I prefer to bet the turn...

My bad. the x/shove thing u mentioned jumped in to my eyes ♠_thumbsup: