NL16 SH 99, Trips

We cannot fold a set there. ..

im 3betting most of the times unless bb is fishy enough..

As played i shove turn ..even vs his top range i have some equity ...( QQ excluded from his top range ofc)

I'm happy to call this and let villain continue his semibluffs/QK/K9/JT etc otr.

We can't fold here. Call turn and re-evaluate river?

Originally posted by marsa08
I'm happy to call this and let villain continue his semibluffs/QK/K9/JT etc otr.

JT beats us at that point and vs KQ and K9 i believe we will get his stack on the turn rather than the river because he might fold those if another spade come + those hands could still suck out on us + he might be on a flushdraw (not that likelly, though, since he would probably raise the flop), which means we need protection.

I know that JT beats us; I just said that villain will continue with those hands otr.

Nothing wrong with shoving turn on this spot. I think that it doesn't matter much EV wise if we shove or call in the long run.

Villain just might fold K9/semibluffs etc to a shove here and he will likely bet those hands otr if we call.

So if vilain is tight call is better and vs not so tight shove is better. You should check villains wtsd% to know better. But 79 hands is not enough for this.

We have a re-draw to nuts, so do not bother much.

The most important factor is our position. Importantly, the fact that we are out of it.

If you call and evaluate the river, are you going to donk? If so, what rivers will you donk on? Keeping in mind that call-donk is a ridiculous line at the best of times anyway.

If you think the villain can't call a raise OTT, it is also true that the villain cant call a raise-donk, and also true that the villain will just x behind you OTR. So all you achieve by giving away a free card is possibly being drawn out on and get no extra value anyway.

So, unless we are turning a set into a bluff catcher and intending to passive X-C the river (which would be incredibly nitty) that leaves only raise-broke OTT. Ship it!